Morrissey Central "THE NEXT DAY" (February 26, 2021)

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Surface

Vegan Cro’s parents regret the condom splitting
Yes, agree, and no one here has.
Morrissey's vocal delivery defines his songs, and in many ways he is as important to the song as the songwriter who wrote the notes. His vocal melody is the heart of the song. He is much more than a lyricist/singer. Moz reshapes the clay of the song and elevates it to a new level. His contributions to the process of making a record are transformative. Look at the songs written by Marr post Smiths (or Butler post Suede) and you can see the marked difference.

Yes I agree he does take things to another level when the base material is something to work with.
 

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As a matter of fact, I'm not even too sure if Oasis' -or in general Britpop's - legacy won't be stronger than Morrissey's solo. It's not what I wish of course, just a feeling.

Blip-pop.

These acts will be remembered for being a part of a ‘music movement’
actually a creation of the music papers. I mean, for those interested in music history, Britpop will be a footnote if it’s lucky.
 

ACTON

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But because Morrissey is an outsider and doesn’t have mass appeal that doesn’t make him any less important.

And it’s because of his unique artistic vision and his refusal to play the game that puts him in a league of his own.
Agree. Moz won't ever be as popular or well known or remembered by the masses in the way they'll remember Queen or Elton John or The Beatles or Bowie or even Rod Stewart. Because the stuff that gets airplay is the less evocative, less complicated, less confrontational, more generic and slightly vacuous feel good music. But a lot of people like that kind of music. And always will. I compare Moz to fine dining vs the more popular generic McDonald's fast food music.
P.s. I know Bowie & The Beatles had some great songs. There's no denying that.
 
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Janice

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Uncle Skinny won't like this
No, he won’t. But, just remind me of the time of “I’ll send Simon Goddard a message to see if I can use his image” - like he knew him - whilst he was having a Smiths/Moz t-shirt knocked up for the second time. Then there’s the banging of the leg at the radio 2 gig. Like a seal he was. So, he’s not to be taken seriously. A no mark.
 

ACTON

Don't Leave Us In The Dark
If people don’t get to hear his art, how will future generations hear about him. You won’t agree with this but New Order will be acknowledged in the future due to Blue Monday, being such a unique piece of music which 38 years after its release has just spent 20 plus weeks on the vinyl chart and to this day is the biggest selling 12 inch single of all time on the UK.
I'm listening to the remastered 12" now. Sounds amazing. In my top 5 songs of all time. New Order had a load of brilliant songs. Hoping to see them in Sept if Ireland gets it's act together with vaccinations. Mini riot in Dublin today. Dickheads attacking the Gardai (police 🚔).
 
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Fak right arf!

You’ve photoshopped Man-child’s gob onto one legend’s body and this shitty record into another dead-legend’s hand? Amazing. Neither would give him time of day, today.

Next, there’ll be promo photos of Whinge-Boy - featuring Biggie, Tupac and Jam Master Jay; all wearing the Burmese child-labour swag.

Anyone wanna buy my bit of his shirt from the YO tour? 100% pure silk - because only SOME animals matter. Will come with local media provenance but - I can have it Photoshopped onto any K-Pop artist you like. ...or even onto an artist that writes music, plays instruments and sells albums - like Lady Gaga. Lemme know. The offer stands. ;)
 

ACTON

Don't Leave Us In The Dark
somebody shot ga ga’s dog walker and nicked her dogs. No idea what the relevance is to the discussion we are having though?
Not much relevance. Someone said Lady Gaga would be remembered longer than Moz (I think) and I just made the comment about her dogs. She got them back anyway in the end.
 

Amy

from the Ice Age to the dole age
Yes, but they were lucky enough to come from a different time 60’s-70’s that enabled them to leave a larger footprint on pop culture, not to say that they weren’t talented, but timing and place is everything, almost.
You said it wasn’t your point. I’m not being argumentative when I ask then what was your point?

I mean, I and others could take your initial comment as saying that Morrissey is lesser an artist and not as important as the other artists you mentioned simply because he wasn’t able to write and release a song like Yesterday in the 60’s or like Bowie, write and release a song like Let’s Dance in the 80’s. Morrissey has done pretty good in his time, taking into consideration his unique vision, and so he could never really fall under the category of mainstream, and even to his own chagrin will most likely always be labeled ‘alternative’. Morrissey is in a league all of his own. Incomparable.
Bowie and McCartney have sold hundreds of millions of records, they've had strings of No.1 albums and singles, they are household names. Morrissey is probably the most successful 'indie' figure to come from the UK but he is still someone with a cult status, he is not a peer of Paul, David, Elton etc when it comes to success.

I find that Bowie Photoshop cringeworthy because I feel it's trying to imply that kind of equivalence - that's he's a peer of Bowie, that he could 'stand in' for McCartney. It doesn't work, and in my view it makes Morrissey - who is hugely successful in his own arena - look desperate, look like he's latching on to these bigger mainstream artists for attention. I can imagine how the Bowie fans would/do laugh at something like that (it would be like Johnny Photoshopping himself into the Rolling Stones) and I just don't think Morrissey needs it. It doesn't do justice to his (real) achievements, it makes him look like he's still a teenager in Stretford, chasing the status of his heroes. And I feel the same way about the Photoshops of Elvis etc, too.

Is he a 'lesser' artist? Well, not to me. I could name lots of multi-million-selling artists that I can't stand or that have had no impact on me at all, whereas Morrissey has had a huge impact. But he's not a peer of them, in their area.
 
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Morrissey's vocal delivery defines his songs, and in many ways he is as important to the song as the songwriter who wrote the notes. His vocal melody is the heart of the song. He is much more than a lyricist/singer. Moz reshapes the clay of the song and elevates it to a new level. His contributions to the process of making a record are transformative. Look at the songs written by Marr post Smiths (or Butler post Suede) and you can see the marked difference.

You speak much truth.


Marr and Bernard looked but they could not find, and their art has suffered greatly for it.


And let me also say, that I will smite he that dare put Suede into the Britpop camp, they to my heart have always stood above and apart
from those musical acts.

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Blip-pop.

These acts will be remembered for being a part of a ‘music movement’
actually a creation of the music papers. I mean, for those interested in music history, Britpop will be a footnote if it’s lucky.
It takes near zero effort to ascertain that
The internet is forever. ...and 99% of your posts will come back to bite you in the arse, should you be fortunate to live so long - as the one-trick f*****r you are. “Blip-pop”... lol!

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Balsover Nose

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Agree. Moz won't ever be as popular or well known or remembered by the masses in the way they'll remember Queen or Elton John or The Beatles or Bowie or even Rod Stewart. Because the stuff that gets airplay is the less evocative, less complicated, less confrontational, more generic and slightly vacuous feel good music. But a lot of people like that kind of music. And always will. I compare Moz to fine dining vs the more popular generic McDonald's fast food music.
P.s. I know Bowie & The Beatles had some great songs. There's no denying that.
Melvis is, quite literally, Pat Boone - without the Tutti-Fruity swagger.
 
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Balsover Nose

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Blip-pop.

These acts will be remembered for being a part of a ‘music movement’
actually a creation of the music papers. I mean, for those interested in music history, Britpop will be a footnote if it’s lucky.
Now I know you’re on the payroll. Nobody who hasn’t sold themselves out, like a whore , would make such a daft statement.
 
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Balsover Nose

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somebody shot ga ga’s dog walker and nicked her dogs. No idea what the relevance is to the discussion we are having though?
It’s relevant, in that both artists lost pets. One sells records and concert tickets, charts and is relevant to music outside the frozen-food aisle. The other does not.
 

Surface

Vegan Cro’s parents regret the condom splitting
You speak much truth.


Marr and Bernard looked but they could not find, and their art has suffered greatly for it.


And let me also say, that I will smite he that dare put Suede into the Britpop camp, they to my heart have always stood above and apart
from those musical acts.

:cool:

Why do you assume Marr’s art has suffered, how do you know what Marr wants from life?
 

Amy

from the Ice Age to the dole age
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Vegan. Cro. Spirit. 888

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Bernard and Le :frogface:suck🦦:baseball:s🙂
absolutely suck AND in honor of the little twat, also suck on🦨:baseball:s

the fact of the matter is that today, not 4o yrs ago, today

MOZ= 1💪
WHOS NO 1????? MOZ💪



who has no new cd, despite threatening to make a new suco cd?
Le:frogface:
thats who:blushing:
 

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Bowie and McCartney have sold hundreds and millions of records, they've had strings of No.1 albums and singles, they are household names.

Paul sold more, so as far as the league of popularity goes, Bowie doesn’t compare.

Morrissey is probably the most successful 'indie' figure to come from the UK but he is still someone with a cult status, he is not a peer of Paul, David, Elton etc when it comes to success.

Popularity as success? If put that way, then yes, Morrissey is not as popular with the general public, which would be weird.

I find that Bowie Photoshop cringeworthy because I feel it's trying to imply that kind of equivalence - that's he's a peer of Bowie,

He is a peer of Bowie’s, in the sense of someone that has peculiar views and that expresses themselves in that unique way that they both do, and yet they still have achieved success.

Though, with Let Dance,etc Bowie did dumb down his art so he could join the league of popularity.

, that he could 'stand in' for McCartney.

Guess it could be looked at that way.
Though Im sure most don’t know of the original photo (I didn’t) and so didn’t come to that conclusion.

It doesn't work, and in my view it makes Morrissey - who is hugely successful in his own arena - look desperate, look like he's latching on to these bigger mainstream artists for attention. I can imagine how the Bowie fans would/do laugh at something like that (it would be like Johnny Photoshopping himself into the Rolling Stones) and I just don't think Morrissey needs it. It doesn't do justice to his (real) achievements, it makes him look like he's still a teenager in Stretford, chasing the status of his heroes. And I feel the same way about the Photoshops of Elvis etc, too.

Yeah I see where you’re coming from.

Though, in someways, Morrissey may still sometimes feel like he’s a teenager in Stretford, in his room, with his record collection. It’s difficult to let go and move on from everything.

Don’t know how many of these photoshopped photos he actually sees or knows that Sam is putting up on Central, but if he’s fine with it, then that’s his decision.
Is he a 'lesser' artist? Well, not to me. I could name lots of multi-million-selling artists that I can't stand or that have had no impact on me at all, whereas Morrissey has had a huge impact.

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But he's not a peer of them, in their area.

Agree he’s not a peer among them in the sense that he can’t dumb down his art and refuses to play the game just so he too can join the league of popularity as ‘success’.

But he’s in his own league, and more important an artist for it.
 

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