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davidt
on Thursday September 09 2004, @09:00AM
broken writes:
A few Morrissey mentions in the NME out Wednesday: In the Reading/Leeds "best band" poll, Morrissey came 4th, behind the White Stripes, the Libertines and Green Day, but thankfully above Razorlight who were dire! A letter to the NME says The Libertines were outclassed at reading by the likes of Morrissey and the NY Dolls, among others. Morrissey is reported to have addressed NME's deputy editor as "fatty" at leeds festival in honour of the song "you're the one for me fatty." Asked why he thought Curiosa had been such a success when the Morrissey-headlines Lollapalooza had to be cancelled due to poor ticket sales, Smith smirked, "Because Morrissey thinks he's a lot bigger over here than he actually is.." And the Cure? "I don't mean to be big-headed but we could go and play anywhere..."
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Moz vs. Smith (Score:0)
Bigger? (Score:0)
Hey Robert - sorry about your face!
Grrrrrr (Score:1)
How true those words still ring. I couldn't agree more, Moz. I couldn't agree more.
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Robby Smith (Score:0)
Robert Smith is unpleasant and horrible to look at.
lay off the twinkies (Score:0)
You don't read talent on a face (Score:1)
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Twinkies are Cool.... (Score:0)
It's hard to argue... (Score:1)
In Salt Lake, the show for the Your Arsenal tour in 1992 had around 9000 people.
Maladjusted in 97, around 2000.
2002 as stated above... (what's happening to Moz fans??!?!?!?)
The Cure shows I've been to since 1992 have all been in large venues with thousands more than Moz.
I'm not saying the Cure is better (although that's my inner turmoil at times), but Robert is right in this case.
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he sure has a big mouth (Score:0)
haha (Score:0)
So what? (Score:1)
So could Brittany Spears!
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Broken stirring again (Score:1, Funny)
zzzzzzzzzzz!
Smith v Smiths (& Moz) (Score:1)
BTW, Their hate for eachother goes back to the 80's when they both attracted the (kind of) same fans - but with a distinct difference. Most Smiths fans hated Cure and vice versa.
They'll always gripe at eachother cause they're both like that. Who cares! They're both great in their own sweet way!
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moz vs. rob (Score:0)
jp
Re:moz vs. rob (Score:2, Insightful)
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Parent
who's bigger in america? (Score:2, Funny)
My 2 cents. (Score:2, Interesting)
That's actually probably true. Mention the Cure, and everyone gasps, even people who can't name a song, but know OF them. Mention Moz or the Smiths, and people stare blankly, unless they happen to be real music fans. I wish it weren't so, but that's probably why Curiosa did so well, and Moz's festival fizzled.
There's no doubt about who is BETTER, in my mind, but since when has the mass public chosen the better one?
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Rumour (Score:0)
Capacity. (Score:0)
Morrissey is still, since the dawn of his career, quite relevant as an artist in the studio and on the stage. "You Are the Quarry" has shown fans and non-fans alike that the Morrissey band is more than capable of producing awe struck material on record in present day.
The Cure was relevant. After their "Wild Mood Swings" era, no Cure work released has been in strength; not enough to stand the test of time. Expectedley, the band moves forward still, somehow.
And so, Smith stating that The Cure is able to play just about anywhere in the world to thousands during each concert gathering - quite true, however, The Cure is a name and one in fact that draws the attention of many who hardly are familiar with their catalogue. 70% of Cure concert attendees are rarely acquainted with the music. Their "fans" or the aforementioned 70% attend to witness The Cure perform the now very dry and over played 'classics'. Morrissey is able, and has over the years and in present day, to play at venues in range from 100 capacity to 10,000 capacity. We all know that the MOZ concert setting is much more intimate thus the need for a million-seat venue is unnecessary.
So, what is their to boast about Smith when your arena concert is filled with people who simply attend your 'show' for a handful of repeat material, versus the very tight and very passionate 2,000-3,000 Morrissey fans at a show who actually care thoroughly for the music?
The Cure's self titled release DID NOT fill Curiosa arenas this tour - The Cure did.
"You Are The Quarry" has sold out more than half of the recent tours itinerary [if not, nearly all] and will continue to do so this Fall - and it was not on Morrissey's name alone.
Agree?
funny. (Score:0)
Also in this week's NME... (Score:1)
And turn to page 42 for a full page ad for the Earls Court gig. Very nice. How badly do I want a T-shirt with a pic of that illuminated MORRISSEY on it?
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Robertinho... (Score:0)
Blame where it's due... (Score:2, Interesting)
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moz has porked out too.... (Score:0)
Points and laughs at Lurker Cure fans.. (Score:0)
Haven't they got something better to do?
The Cure are an 80's nostalgia act. nothing more. (Score:0)
Moz is a vibrant contemporary artist who's just enjoyed his biggest success in the singles chart of the last 15 years, and his biggest radio hit of all time. The Cure's only new single achieved one week in the top 40 and was rightly ignored by radio stations and television channels the length of the country because it was utterly crap. Most of The Cure's current setlist dates from the 80's coz that was the last time they wrote any decent songs (admittedly Just Like Heaven and Pictures of You were very good).
Comments like these from lardy arse Smith just show that he is now as utterly deluded as he is bitter and talentless.
J
White Stripes (Score:0, Troll)
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Robert Smith... (Score:0)
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2-Sided (Score:1)
Robert may be technically correct, yes.
But they are both great artists.
I saw one earlier comment that stated most cure fans go based on their name as opposed to the quality of their new material. sure, that could be true for a lot of people in attendance at cure shows. But wasn't "maladjusted" just as panned as some recent cure albums? whether or not Moz's Radio City shows sell out remains to be seen...but both could play theatres easily.
When it all comes down to it though. The Cure and Morrissey are both bands that have CULT followings in the US. Both had hit singles here in the 80s, but that's it. now they're both successful in the sub-mainstream kind of way. So a question of who's "bigger" doesn't hold much.
Besides, Robert may make these comments, but isn't Moz himself a bit of a "bitch" from time to time? he's been very open about the many things he hates, and in quite the snubby way, too!
I've always thought their "feud" was rather comical, as most people i know that like one always like the other. Besides, Robert's even said he really has nothing personal against him cuz he's never met him. just not a fan of his music.
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I bet they laugh about it.... (Score:1)
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What a douche! (Score:0)
Smith may also be forgetting that Interpol and those other gigantic bands just may have helped sell tickets to those concert halls (not gigantic ampitheaters).
Fat jokes are easy but unnecessary 'cause that has zip to do with writing forgettable, formulaic songs.
But he ain't helping himself with keeping that hairdo and the gaudy makeup.
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You're the one for us fatty.... (Score:1, Funny)
You don't need to lose weight nor skip the ho-ho's and Krispy Kreme. You look fine the way you are, it worked for us!
Sincerely,
Kirstie Alley, James Gandolfini, Rosie O'Donut, Shawn Kemp, Oprah Winfrey, Ricki Lake, Luther Vandross, Carnie Wilson, Shaq, Anna Nicole Smith, Camryn Manheim, 'Bubba' Clinton, Monica Lewinsky, Roseanne, Grimace and Ruben Studdard
One thing is for sure, you will never see these two kiss and make up. Moz and Elton John may have sucked it up for Jobriath, but there is NO common ground which would spark an understanding with Rob. It has been going on for years so no-one can really place blame on either. Moz could be the bigger man in this case and not reply, but we all know that will never happen and he will have his own crack back any time soon. Despite the email I posted above, I think it's a sad thing for fans of this genre to have to endure. Actually, no I don't. Moz will have his run, Robert will have his, and both acts will do fine. Just because these two Englishmen can't get along doesn't mean that their music and art will suffer. At least not until someone decides to blast the other one in a song ala Shaquille O'Neal.
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No comparison (Score:1)
I know The Smiths wouldn't put out junvenile titles like Bloodyflowers or horrible silly childish cartoons on an album cover.
Someone still has artistic integrity.
The Smiths are as large as the Cure and were around a fraction of the time. Some haven't heard of the Smiths because they never did Pepsi Smash or hired some half-wit producer to make 'em limp-korn-like.
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die die die (Score:1)
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Lollapalooza (Score:1)
This Lollapalooza was much weaker. On the day that Morrissey was playing, there were maybe only two other bands that I was interested in checking out. Having the bands spread out over two days killed Lollapalooza this year, not Morrissey.
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cure vs mozz (Score:1)
Morrissey and the smiths changed my life in a way the cure didnt but that does not mean they are not a wonderful band because they really are.
Both morrissey and robert behave like children sometimes.
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fat but nice (Score:0)
It is probably true that the cure can sell out pretty much every place, but so can Celine Dion.
jesus (Score:0)
Lucy
Moz mentioning Robert (Score:0)
As far as I know he never gets asked about the Cure. Seems the journalists know they are irrelevant too.
curiosa lost BIG (Score:0)
The Truth According to Rolling Stone (Score:1)
The reason mostly has to do with ticket and gas prices, as well as another explaination given below.
An excerpt from page 40:
Lollapalooza: The numbers
Only two of thirty-one planned shows sold well. One Northeast date reportedly moved just 450 tickets.
The problem: "Ticket prices were too high, and Morrissey fans don't want to sit in a field for two hours," says a prominent agent. He also added that Morrissey's new US theater tour is selling well.
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Don't Know If This Has Been Stated Before Or Not.. (Score:1)
I. Don't. Care. And, apparently, neither does Morrissey; he hasn't commented on Robert Smith since I was in elementary school!
Enough said. (Be gone, immaturity, be gone!)
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Both Lollapalooza and Curiousa failed and lost $$$ (Score:1)
HAHAHAHA Mr. record company exec. You deserve mp3s. You have packaged and controlled the music scene here to the point that it's falling apart. Now you are attacking concerts to try and squeeze us there because we can't "bootleg" a live show experiance. I just bought Morrissey tickets for 3 nights of this tour and they were $75 a ticket (even for 30 rows back). Thanks to Clearchannel, Ticketmonster and everyone now following suit I am sure concert attendance will continue to decline until the industry falls apart and venues start closing (starting with the ones that are not owned by Clearchannel of course as they are independant and can not weather this kind of storm).
Kudos to bands like Pearl Jam, Dave Matthews and others who are fighting this and trying to focus on non Clearchannel venues (no comments on these examples...the bands are not the point). Look you really can't argue that in America Pearl Jam has a much larger fan base than Moz or the Cure but yet the tickets to their shows are usually $25-$30 before Ticketmonster hikes it to maybe $35-$40 with their service charge. The artists can control this. What I have to say to Moz, Robert and other artists is simply....hold onto your friends.
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anyway (Score:0)
haha is the deputy ed alex needham? he does all the moz stuff.
I declare Moz the winner (Score:1)
I do believe that The Cure is overrated and never will Robert be able to make such a differnce in music as moz has, he has changed it forever and I thank him for that.
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robert smith (Score:0)
Robert Smith on Lollapalooza cancellation in NME (Score:1)
Please note - the quotes above are not to indicate a direct quote; i'm paraphrasing what I remember.
Anyhow, if i could just pitch in with my 2 cents: The Cure are a group of musicians; they are widely quoted in interviews as never being far from their guitars/keyboards/drums. Morrissey is widely quoted in interviews describing himself as HAVING to sing; its his calling in life. This, in my opinion, is the key point where the Cure and Morrissey differ. Not that Morrissey's band are not musicians - they are; and damn fine and Rockin musicians. But remember, its The Cure - the band, and Morrisey - the singer; there WAS a time when he was part of a band - The Smiths, but not since 1987/88.
So, the Cure have 3 hour shows, most of their albums consist of songs between 4 and 9 minutes in length, with large instrumental parts; they play large venues (where their stage show works best). Morrissey does 75 minute shows in small to medium venues (where his stage show works best), his albums do not contain instrumental songs (the smiths had oscilate wildly, but this can be explained by johnny marr's being a musician and having considerable influence in the band, can't it?), and the tunes are all radio friendly pop song length - except for the bookends on Southpaw Grammar.
Curiosa Festival had a capacity of 15,000-25,000 seats per show, on average. However, tracking the ticket sales on www.chainofflowers.com shows that on average, each Curiosa Festival show sold only half the venue typical nights had 12,000 attendees.
Morrissey's euro tour has been characterized by venues offering a capacity in the low thousands - topping off around 2000. He's been selling out many of these shows - given the concert reviews and news posts to www.morrissey-solo.com.
I adore Morrissey for his lyrics first, his beautiful vocals second, and the lovely music third.
I adore The Cure for their lovely music first and roberts lyrics second.
For almost 30 years The Cure have worked as a band; Morrissey spent five years in a band and the following 17 years as a solo singer. Morrissey's gift has been conveyed successfully by the Smiths and the various musicians he's worked with since, up to and including the current band of ten years. The Cure has conveyed its career as a band - not as a singer backed by a band. This is a significant difference.
I like The Cure and I like Morrissey - for different reasons, clearly. For better or worse, they're competitors taking swipes at one another, like coke vs pepsi, apple vs microsoft, letterman vs leno. robert and morrissey have never actually met OR talked! So what do YOU think all this is based on? One thing is clear, neither thinks of the other very often at all; in fact, it seems the interviewers force them to think of each other in order to respond to their questions. If it wasn;t for that, I don't think they'd think of one another at all, since they're such different people to begin with.
Peter
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The difference with Moz fans (Score:1)
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Meanwhile Back In Dear Old Blighty... (Score:0)
robert smith (Score:0)
Who cares if robert's overweight? (Score:0)
Oh, and just because Moz hates smith and vice versa, does that mean that you have to be a lemming and follow along with it? The whole thing is pretty silly...I totally love the cure but the smith's were wonderful aswell...I'm not going to go say I despise them simply because the cure do...