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what a wonderful tour it was!

I will NEVER understand the Kill Uncle thing! I simply love that album and feel it is one of my favorite albums ever. I love Mute Witness, sing your life, asian rut... KING LEER!

when you listen to "i know its over" its still not over... but when you can enjoy and dance around in your bedroom to KING LEER... its over... and perhaps you are ready for new love.

KILL UNCLE is fantastic! I just don't understand what the problem is. Sometimes I feel like one reviewer said it was no good, and then nobody ever listened to it on their own... and somehow just followed that one review... because i just dont understand how you could think its a poor album.

Kill uncle is too good... and i wish i still had the shirt with the cover on it.
that was a cool shirt.

suparni

Hate to say it, but I agree. How many of you actually play kill uncle in its entirety often? Without skipping any songs?

Whenever Swallowneck slips a copy of Kill Uncle into his cd player, he never discusses the music. Instead he will thrill himself for the entire duration speculating on how good Mark Nevin is in bed!!! Y'see, long before Mikey Farrell ol' Mark was a reliable source of Swallowneck's lust...

Pretty good company to be in.

It seems many agree that "Kill Uncle" is Moz's worst album. However, a harder question to answer might be:
Which is your least favorite Smiths album?
  -I'm talking strictly LP new material releases (i.e., self titled, meat, queen, and strangeways)

my vote is for the self titled. Its a great album, but the Smiths only got better and better.

discuss.

Kill Uncle is good:- flawed, not great, but definitely good. Southpaw Grammar is the Moz's worst album, and even that isn't BAD.

...and Kill Uncle was an anthem for the times. So, for that reason alone, it will always be a special album to me.

Hearing him play those songs live, on his first proper world tour as a solo artist also helped make the tunes on Kill Uncle special too!

Viva Uncle!

much better than you are the quarry, song for song. no doubt.

I thought Kill Uncle was good

Asian Rut is kinda cool actually. Only on vinyl with the scratches and pops that take me back- to other times, other loves....

I hope you don't like it!

Then it's all mine.

Moz has a son,
He's my daddy.

I love you Daddy!!!!!!

Mr Shirley Odd

I won't hear a word against Asian Rut, Sing Your Life and There's A Place In Hell! (...but can't help thinking what a BRILLIANT and CLASSIC album could have been made from the highlights of Kill Uncle and Viva Hate ...)

...I'll eat my hat.

Kill Uncle is amazing- Ringleader is the weakest Moz album. And even thats not a bad album.

The only good thing about that artice is those dumb ass Chilli Pepper fans getting into a lather over one of that bunch of turds mediocre LPs.

Hump de bump my arse. F***ing wankers!

Call me crazy but I think Kill Uncle is a great album. Many evenings alone in my bed in college I would play it in its entirety.

The constant comments that Kill uncle, Southpaw grammar or Maladjusted are bad albums got me wondering, what is the Morrissey album I least like? Knowing I listen to the three of them often, it must be another one. I knew there are Morrissey albums that I listen to less but it wasn't until I actually looked that I realised it's the compilation albums I never listen to. Maybe that is because I still listen to those songs and their b sides from the singles.

I therefore came to the conclusion that Morrissey is so much better than all the rest that if somebody skips a song or doesn't like a part of a song, it stands out more and they remember more. Further more, and this surprised even me. He can do no wrong.

Ooh, I don't want to judge him anymore. I don't want to be judge. I would sooner love.
I would sooner just blindly love.

I like the way fans keep Kill Uncle from getting killed here. And for reminding me what I need this evening from my personal menu.

Yes I agree - KIll Uncle is a deplorable album- There are a few glimpses of greatness in there - but sadly there isn't enough to save it from it's fate. No ringleader in the top 15 ? Maybe it's too soon - don't be surprised that if in 10 years time Ringleader is viewed and regarded in a similar vein ! There are similarities between both albums - two or three glimpses of class let down by bad mediocrity elsewhere. We thought he was back to for with Quarry - as with Viva Hate - only to feel let down - if not now - all in good time. We should've known better ! So if a similar path is followed - things can only get better ! (Bona Drag doesn't count for you anoraks ready to pull me up for ommitting it).

Looove the album. "Driving Your Girlfriend Home" is my favourite Moz song. Love Frank, Asian, Sing, Mute, End Of Line, Place In hell.

Kill Uncle??
Oh What Jerks.. I love the Album and I can honestly say that there is no way a bunch of dumb idiot can make me see Differant.. What a STUPID attempt...
I can truly say that those persons that did vote Morrissey's KILL Uncle as one of the WORSE... Well they truly are not fans...

Please if you can take this artical Off Solo.... Id Highly Apprietiate it.......

Freaken Rude!

I wholeheartedly DISAGREE. But considering they listed the Rolling Stones as a good band...i'm not that offended.

with some of the coolest album art of all time.
Kill Uncle does suck. It was rushed, and tuneless. There's some good tracks on there, but pretty bad.

anyone read popbitch? some wicked morrissey-joyce gossip on there this week

I rank Maladjusted below Kill Uncle why

1: It doesn't flow that well as Kill Uncle...too many ballads, even though Trouble Loves Me And Wide To Receive are great...

2:Sorrow Will Come In The End..could have been a great song..was a good idea..but instead he just whines and moans through the song...

3:Too many Average songs....He Cried, Papa Jack, Ambitious Outsiders, and Maladjusted...not bad, but not great either...(Kill Uncle has two "bad" songs Harsh Truth and Found Found Found, but several good songs There's A Place In Hell, Driving Your Girflriend Home, I'm The End Of The Family Line, Asian Rut, Mute Witness. All of those in my opinion pull it above the Average songs of Maladjusted

4:Sing Your Life and Alma Matters are both Classics...Our Frank is Better Than Satan Rejected My Soul...Roy's Keen definitely a below average single (in the same vein As Pregnant For The Last Time and Dagenham Dave)

Do The Math and Kill Uncle is a better album....

Now If LOST had been on the album...I might rank it above....

Terrible work. Really embarrassing.

I can't agree with this. As others have pointed out, Southpaw and Maladjusted are worse but I'd also add ROTT. At least Maladjusted has the beautiful "Trouble Loves Me". Southpaw hardly has redemption. ROTT songs sounded quite good live but lack poignancy, catchiness and was a disappointment.
Kill Uncle had Sing Your Life, Mute, Your Frank, There's a Place but also had the oddly great songs Leer, Found, Girlfriend, Harsh. Yeah, OK, it was weird but quite good.

Songs rated 1-4 (Singles rated 1-5)
1 BAD
2 AVERAGE
3 GOOD
4 GREAT
5 OUTSTANDING

VIVA HATE-37/50=74%
Alsatian Cousin 3
Little Man, What Now? 2
Everyday Is Like Sunday 5
Bengali In Platforms 2
Angel, Angel Down We Go Together 4
Late Night, Maudlin Street 4
Suedehead 5
Break Up The Family 3
The Ordinary Boys 2
Dial-A-Cliche 2
I Don't Mind If You Forget Me 3
Margaret On A Guillotine 2

KILL UNCLE=29/42 (69%)
Our Frank 4
Asian Rut 3
Sing Your Life 5
Mute Witness 3
King Leer 2
Found Found Found 1
Driving Your Girlfriend Home 3
Harsh Truth Of The Camera Eye 1
I'm The End Of The Family Line 3
There's A Place In Hell For Me And My Friends 4

YOUR ARSENAL=39/52 (75%)
You're Gonna Need Someone On Your Side 4
Glamorous Glue 3
We'll Let You Know 4
The National Front Disco 4
Certain People I Know 4
We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful 4
You're The One For Me, Fatty 4
Seasick, Yet Still Docked 3
I Know It's Gonna Happen Someday 4
Tomorrow 5

VAUXALL AND I=39/47 (83%)
Now My Heart Is Full 5
Spring-Heeled Jim 3
Billy Budd 4
Hold Onto Your Friends 4
The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get 5
Why Don't You Find Out For Yourself 3
I Am Hated For Loving 4
Lifeguard Asleep, Girl Drowning 2
Used To Be A Sweet Boy 3
The Lazy Sunbathers 2
Speedway 4

SOUTHPAW GRAMMAR=25/34 (70%)
Teachers Are Afraid Of The Pupils 3
Reader Meets Author 4
The Boy Racer 4
The Operation 2
Dagenhem Dave 3
Do Your Best And Don't Worry 3
Best Friend On The Payroll 1
Southpaw 4

MALADJUSTED=32/47(68%)
Maladjusted 3
Alma Matters 4
Ambitious Outsiders 3
Trouble Loves Me 4
Papa Jack 2
Ammunition 2
Wide To Receive 4
Roy's Keen 3
He Cried 2
Sorrow Will Come In The End 2
Satan Rejected My Soul 3

YOU ARE THE QUARRY=37/52 (71%)
America Is Not The World 2
Irish Blood, English Heart 4
I Have Forgiven Jesus 3
Come Back To Camden 3
I'm Not Sorry 3
The World Is Full Of Crashing Bores 4
How Can Anybody Possibly Know How I Feel 3
First Of The Gang To Die 4
Let Me Kiss You 4
All The Lazy Dykes 1
I Like You 3
You Know I Couldn't Last 3

RINGLEADER OF THE TORMENTORS=38/52 (73%)
I Will See You In Far-Off Places 4
Dear God, Please Help Me 3
You Have Killed Me 4
The Youngest Was The Most Loved 4
In The Future When All's Well 4
The Father Who Must Be Killed 2
Life Is A Pigsty 4
I'll Never Be Anybody Hero's Now 4
On The Streets I Ran 3
To Me You Are A Work Of Art 3
I Just Want To See The Boy Happy 4
At Last I Am Born 3

1:VAUXALL AND I=83%
2:YOUR ARSENAL=75%
3:VIVA HATE=74%
4:RINGLEADER OF THE TORMENTORS=73%
5:YOU ARE THE QUARRY=71%
6:SOUTHPAW GRAMMAR:70%
7:KILL UNCLE=69%
8:MALADJUSTED=68%

Where 100%=THE QUEEN IS DEAD

None of Morrissey's albums have compared To The Smiths, mostly because he they all have at least one weak song on it...you take the two weak songs off Vauxall...and it shoots to 90$....

Just my opinions...SNS22

I have many of these albums and they are all bad. But then I am cranky these days. Lon

Am I the only person who likes Found, Found, Found - it's the only track on the album with a bit of muscle and the lyrics aren't half bad... what's everyone's problem?

Our three year old, Will, thinks 'Kill Uncle' is great. He sits in the back seat singing along to 'Our Frank' and much prefers this album to ROTT.

but w`
our frank
mute witness
found found
driving ur girlfriend
end of family line and tony pony
thats 6 songs - more then i can say i like
on ,southpaw ,maladjusted , or rott
(quarry is the best)

the album has a few gems like our frank and sing your life. the only tracks on it that i really can't stand are asian rut and king leer.

I love every song on this album. Morrissey's voice has never sounded better. Excellent lyrics throughout!

I used to absolutely hate this album and I refused to play it for so long. About a month ago I blew the dust off of it and gave it another go. I was finding I was actually enjoying it. Then I got to "King Leer" and I was full of hate again. I skipped to "There's a place in hell for me an my friends" and reshelved it.
That's how it goes though and I could probably say half good to all of his albums. Except Your Arsenal. I love every minute of that one.

How can anyone say that Tonight is David Bowie's worst album? OK, there are one or two turkeys on it (most notably the title track), but he's done many things since then that are a lot worse. I'd nominate Never Let Me Down or Earthling.

Good to see so many people defending the underrated Kill Uncle. It's miles better than YATQ and Maladjusted.

I've always championed 'Kill Uncle' so it's inclusion in this list is just slapdash and shoddy.
To include it in a list of 'Worst Albums By Great Bands' is really pretty nonsensical when you compare KU to the clattering discordant 'Southpaw Grammar' or the flat and dull 'Maladjusted'.

Part of the problem with KU's reputation is it's place in the musical time-line. KU was released as Britain's music scene was still dominated by decadence and dance music. We were at the stage when solo dance producers with a faceless female vocalist singing one line over and over was the in thing. Morrissey's singles from 'Ouija Board...' on had grown increasingly anachronistic, sounding more and more detached from the current music scene and more intrinsically personal.
When 'Kill Uncle' was released it sounding so unlike everything else that was around that it sounded like the work of a man out-of-time.

The album that should have followed 'Viva Hate' and was to have been entitled 'Bona Drag'(not the compilation that has appeared under that name) could have been really special. It should have been produced by Stephen Street and was to have included most of what became A-sides('November...', Ouija Board...') as well as some of the tracks that were released as B-sides, AND some of the tracks that ended up on KU and the 'Picadilly Palare' single.....BUT a rift in relations with Stephen Street put an end to it. It's hard to tell how THAT album would have faired but it always strikes me as a opportunity lost.
Similarly, if you listen to the versions of the KU songs played on the 1992 tour, had KU been recorded with The Lads rather than some faceless session musicians, KU could have been a whole lot meatier. Some of the songs are completely transformed in their live form....check out the KROQ version of 'Sing Your Life' for proof.

Now, from a historical viewpoint, KU makes perfect sense. After the demise, each of Morrissey's solo albums seem to have a different personality(especially the early ones). 'Viva Hate' is dark and mysterious, 'Kill Uncle' light, almost whimsical; 'Your Arsenal' strong and strident, 'Vauxhall & I' warm and melancholic.
KU finds Morrissey light-hearted of lyric and in fine voice, and intriguing B-sides from the era('Tony The Pony', 'The Loop', 'Journalists Who Lie') flesh out a worthy period of Morrissey's career.

Morrissey would go on to release far worse albums than 'Kill Uncle'...more's the pity.

Love this song, which is why I can't quite dismiss KU entirely.

this was originally in the "Morrissey Survivor" poll/thread a longtime back where the idea was to begin with all seven Morrissey studio albums and each round vote out the "weakest" until left with one survivor as the greatest Moz album. Kill Uncle was the first voted out, but before it went iposted this track-by-track review/analysis in its praise and defence:

even moreso than Southpaw Grammar, Kill Uncle is the most misunderstood, and thus underrated, album of Morrissey's career. surely, it is one of the most unique, and this is likely why it is so chastised by fans and critics alike- yet this uniqueness should be seen as one of its many strengths.

the album begins with its first single, "Our Frank"- a perfcet choice for the lead single as it is likely the most similiar to his previous solo singles on the album. this song also perfectly sets the tone and progression of the album: an emphatically expressed desire to shake off the weighty thoughts of deep conversation and introspection that eventually gives way to an uncontrolable compulsion to think about "everything" "deeply" and "bleakly". all delivered by means of a racing and poppy musical backing and clever, humourous and undeniably charming lyrics and vocals, this is a fantastic way to open.

"Asian Rut" is easily one of the strangest songs in the Morrissey cannon, but this only adds to its interest. an eerie musical accompaniment, complete with the beautifully harmonius, yet unsettling, violin of Nawazish Ali Khan, a chilling depiction of racism and violence ending with one of the most transcending stanzas of Morrissey's career, "I'm just passing through here/On my way to somewhere civilised/And maybe I'll even arrive/Maybe I'll even arrive...." by that line alone this song is made spectacular.

one of the more widely accepted songs off Kill Uncle is second and final single taken from the album, "Sing Your Life". really, not much needs to said here: a joyously bouncy musical backing for perhaps Morrissey's most inspirational and encouraging lyrics ever. complete with the Morrissey charm and humour- which has never been displayed more or better than on this album- this is one of Morrissey's finest.

"Mute Witness" serves as a wonderful mirror to the classic "November Spawned A Monster" in its view of a disabled girl from the opposite and seemingly unsympathetic perspective. now, many will criticise Morrissey for having bad taste in attempting to extract humour from such a situation before abruptly sending the poor girl off in her taxi, but the very fact that Morrissey does write about things like this, where most would never attempt, shows his true empathy for the disabled. an ambiguous lyric and a glammed up musical performance, this is another great song.

people juste dont get "King Leer" ithink. ithink theyre juste being too serious or stuck up or something, but when people refer to one of Morrissey's greatest lyrics as his "lyrical nadir" it really makes me wonder what is wrong with them. simply a perfect piece of fey pop boasting an absurdly hilarious lyric with its series of cringeworthy, but completely intentional, puns and cliches including the title's labeling of the boyfriend as "King Leer"- brilliant. imean, if you think hes being serious, he completely gives himself away when he begins to laugh at himself in the middle of the song. this is the most playful moment of Morrissey's career and it is classic all the way.

"Found Found Found" begins the fall back into that uncontrolable compulsion of introspection suggested in opener, "Our Frank". the hardest music on the album works as a signal call for the shift in mood and perspective. another brilliantly transcending line, even though it was pipped from Noel Coward, comes at the end with "I do believe that the more you give your love, and I do believe that the more you give your trust, the more you're bound to lose." great track.

its been spoken of before how "Driving Your Gilfriend

I for one think that it was one his best albums. Well actually it depends on the mood that i am in. 'Typical me'

Good album, bad album, it seems we cannot agree.
Let's all just acknowledge that his quiff has never looked better than in the cover photos.
hmm. perhaps it is just the angles...

No way.

***********thats sad really it is! kill uncle i think is an excellent album and i don't see at all why it would be in the top 15. let alone on the list. look at mute witness, the harsh truth of the camera eye, driving your girlfriend home, our frank...solid songs in my opinion. rolling stone you have done wrong once again. what were they thinking! ..kill uncle is one of my favorite albums period to listen to.**********

This is Rolling Stone who said that Sweet Sixteen by Royal Trux was one of the worst albums ever recorded. They know nothing about music.

by R.E.M. shouldve made this list- that wouldve been my nomination.

Not one artist was Black. Hmmm are the people saying theres no great black artists or that great black artist have NEVER made a bad album. Tricky!

kill uncle is great,everything Moz has ever made is great...fucking EVERYTHING!

i strongly disagree about it,
kill uncle album is as good as any moz's album.
and i never skip ANY song if i listen to it, because it's like compiled like a novel.
"there's a place in hell for me and my friend" is one hell of a lyric!
no other musicians could make a strong and unthinkable lyric like it.

and here in asia, "asian rut" is well respected,
and yet it has become an icon song for moz fans here.

kill uncle has made it's best here.

shold have made this list as well. He is through. R.I.P

The underdog album from the greatest underdog. what's not to love about it?

I've been a huge fan since 1987 and I absolutely agree. Kill Uncle is SO soft and wimpy. Moz is barely even singing on it. It's just dead sounding. They should put Southpaw Grammar on that list to. I think that's the only one worse than Kill Uncle.

Call me morbid, call me pale...