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....and I dearly hope this was the last thing we heard about it. I really do.
P.S.: Mike is not too wrong, is he?! At least some kind of wit, after all....
elsberry <[email protected]>
- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 10:47:55 (PDT)
ummm okay so he won his money! no need to rub it in!
charmer <[email protected]>
- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 16:39:27 (PDT)
Maybe a referendum? Oh, ha ha ha, he is witty! Maybe we should all beat him to death instead. Greedy bastard.
Scott <[email protected]>
Oregon - Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 17:19:38 (PDT)
'legalised theft leaves me bereft. ...somehow expecting no less, a court of justice with no use for truth. lawyer, liar. lawyer, liar. you pleaded and squealed-and you think you've won, but sorrow will come to you in the end and as sure as my words are pure; i praise the day that brings you pain. ...frantic for fame, they're all in the game... ...you lied and you were believed by a j.p., senile anfd vile. you pleaded and SQUEALED, and you think you've won, but sorrow will come to you in the end. so don't close your eyes, don't ever close your eyes. you think you've won, oh no.' 'on the glorious occasion of this splendid defeat.' as they say in the varrio over here on the west coast, 'ratheads get nothin' but cheese ya'll!' orale.
felipe messina guzman <[email protected]>
aztlan-s.f.bay area - Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 18:46:20 (PDT)
Mike Joyce is probably just happy he had no musical involvement in that terrible song..
Nate <[email protected]>
- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 19:33:10 (PDT)
Mike J is actually quite funny. He does good interviews. Morrissey screwed him over.
devious
- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 22:51:03 (PDT)
Mike Joyce is hilarious! Morrissey has become a twat as of late. The greedy bastard is Morrissey, you moron!
"I liked you so much more, when you were hopelessly poor."
Marshall Fields <[email protected]>
- Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 22:51:48 (PDT)
Marshall Fields ,pls die.
all of the things that you are saying is very easy.
still i can trust morrissey.
tadateru.uyama <[email protected]>
tokyo japan - Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 00:08:05 (PDT)
well, Marshall, you can start to love much more again now that all the money will gooooo.
elsberry
- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 02:17:10 (PDT)
I really think that NATO should look into it. If there is any organization who can screw things more than physically possible it´s NATO.
Gustaf <[email protected]>
Sweden - Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 08:19:51 (PDT)
HA! HA! Mike Joyce should get everything and anything he can from Morrissey. Morrissey is the greedy bastard!! He's done it to all of them. He did it to Andy and he did it to Craig. F*** Morrissey!! He gets what he deserves!! I hope Mike
gets even more money from him. What an immature jerk to write a song like "Sorrow Will Come..."
Now to all my fans...Mac would never act like that.
HA! HA! HA! HA!
george o.
- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 10:24:51 (PDT)
Ultimately, and whatever the rights and wrong of this case, it matters little. When the history of popular music is written, Morrissey will be viewed as a beautiful singer, an untouchable lyricist and a captivating live performer who actually affected his listeners lives.
MIke Joyce? Well he was just a competent drummer
Iain <ihamilt:aol.com>
- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 11:37:59 (PDT)
A competent drummer?!?!
Obviously, you have never heard a really bad drummer. They can screw it all up for you. When I walk down the street to find a good venue to see music, I can usually hear the drumming and know right away the band sucks and to keep on walking. If Joyce sucked as bad as you think he did, the music for the Smiths would have been terrible.
Malto Meal
Where you can't see me. - Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 15:59:16 (PDT)
maladjusted. money greedy. its not fair...
Ramon David Mesina <[email protected]>
aztlan-s.f. bay area - Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 16:38:56 (PDT)
No Johnny Marr, No Smiths Music.
No Morrissey, No Good Sleeves, No good lyrics, No Good singing.
No Andy Rourke, No Andy Rourke, Any other will do, he's lucky he met Marr & Morrissey.
No Mike, No Mike, Any other good drumer will do, he's lucky, Marr & Morrissey took him for a ride.
RockinKid
- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 17:12:57 (PDT)
Sorrow Will Come in the End, is a very good song.
it's scary.
RockinKid
- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 17:15:18 (PDT)
national referendum...?
well, if it would be a english referendum i would not vote because i am brazilian.
perhaps a world wide referendum would be fairer.
perhaps if mike joyce shut up his mouth things would be even fairer.
Fabricio <[email protected]>
- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 17:24:20 (PDT)
Malto Meal,
where exactly did i say i thought Mike Joyce "sucked". I merely said he was competent. Hardly the same thing.
Iain <ihamilt:aol.com>
- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 18:16:59 (PDT)
Very funny, Mr. Joyce, now hurry off to your day job at Wendy's!
Morrissey/Marr = Genius
Rourke/Joyce = replaceable, drug taking monkeys
LoveTron
- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 19:42:12 (PDT)
Joyce, Rourke, Marr and Morrissey /and even gannon/ are all irreplaceable!!! It is sad that Morrissey screwed Joyce and Rourke, but as far as the story goes, they new what they were getting into...
Morrissey is a greedy bastard, albeit a brilliant one. I guess we'll never have a reunion. Sad world we live in.
bestfriendonthepayroll
- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 21:42:11 (PDT)
"Sorrow will come" is a terrible song...by far one of the worst Morrissey ever recorded...the subject matter just contributed to it's demise
Nate <[email protected]>
- Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 22:44:05 (PDT)
If I've said it once, I've said it a 1,000,000 times Morrissey has managed to screw all of us by causing the break up of The Smiths because of his shoddy management and business practices and then cranking out bad records for the last 11 years and to top it off you might as well forget there ever being a Smiths reunion because of the great Moz's greed for money. Way to go Mike I'm happy you got the money you deserve. Oh and to all the folks that seem to think Joyce/Rourke were mindless replaceable monkey's it is a pretty fair bet to say that you have never played in a band and that you just don't seem to understand how much a great rhythm section means to the entire over all sound of the band. The Smiths would have never sounded like The Smiths if not for ALL FOUR OF THE SMITHS INPUT!!! WAKE UP! from your Morrissey subliminal nightmare and listen.
Alaxander Decay <[email protected]>
USA - Sat, Jun 05, 1999 at 22:53:53 (PDT)
The Smiths would have ever been the band we love so much without Joyce and Rourke, however minimal their role in the writing of the music. The chemistry between these four guys remains brilliant after all these years. It doesn't matter who's right in this one, whether Morrissey or Joyce...the fact is that everybody gets screwed because a reunion is unlikely between the original four(bad for us), joyce goes on to nothing (bad for him) MOZ is out a couple of bucks (bad for him, too, but at least he can still enjoy his coronas.) But, I suggest a valiant effort by Morrissey and Marr to do a semi-smiths reunion, or to collaborate together on another project, now that it seems that they have most of their differences out of the way. That, would be incredibley promising.
Javier Obregon <[email protected]>
Montclair,CA - Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 04:57:40 (PDT)
A Smiths reunion would be a disaster. A brief examination of other reunions will surely prove that.
The Smiths remain pure, as do the Jam, because they split before they could degrade themselves. Let the meomories remaim special and let Morrissey, and the others, follow their own path.
Iain <ihamilt:aol.com>
- Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 06:23:47 (PDT)
I wish that these ex-Smiths would just go away gracefully instead of trying to cash in on their past glory. Marr, Joyce, and Rourke have very mediocre futures to say the least, that is why they harp on past fame to keep themselves going. I mean, Johnny, how many more UNCUT articles about the "Secrets of The Smiths" are you gonna do? Marr, Rourke, Joyce, even if you are making horrible music with some other defector, let go of the Smiths! They know its over, still they cling!
Music Critic <[email protected]>
- Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 13:05:14 (PDT)
Because Competent and Sucky are relatively the same things. Anyone can make it simple enough for it to sound decent. Considering that most drummers have enough musical training to make a $15,000 drum kit sound like they are beating on tupperware containers, yes he is a great drummer.
Malto Meal
Where you can't see me. - Sun, Jun 06, 1999 at 22:08:07 (PDT)
Well MOrrissey screwed nobody over by leaving the smiths. He owes nothing to you bastard. I wish people would stop acting like they know Moz. Calling him "greedy" and all. Just because some damned judge calls him that doesn't mean it's true or becomes public enterprise to do so. Anyway I totally agree with you Rockinkid. bye bye
Corey <[email protected]>
Pennsylvania - Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 04:35:36 (PDT)
I don't think that Joyce & Rourke were treated very fair by Morrissey & Marr. Should they get 25% each is an another issue. Their input to the success of The Smiths wasn't clearly as huge as Morrissey's & Marr's, but they were treated badly and it was right that they got the money in the end.
BTW I think "Sorrow Will Come In The End" is a very good song. The arrangement is great. The lyrics are bit scary though...
Mikko <[email protected]>
Finland - Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 06:20:16 (PDT)
As I recall it, you can't blame Morrissey alone for the demise of The Smiths, it was just as much Johnny's "fault"... And I think a reunion without Joyce and Rourke could be very well possible - Moz and Marr have done pretty good without each other for... 10 years now?, so why wouldn't they create great music without Joyce and Rourke?
Henrik Rydéhn <[email protected]>
? - Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 08:07:45 (PDT)
I really think it was right that Morrissey and Marr got more money. After all they wrote the songs, and it's quite customary that the writers get more than the performers. I write music and lyrics my self and when I record with my band it still feels like my songs, though we're recording them together. I would find it quite unfair if I did not get more money for them than the others, since I´ve put down much more work in them through writing them. I believe it was the same with Morrissey/Marr - Mike/Andy.
Gustaf <[email protected]>
Sweden - Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 08:22:40 (PDT)
I know what it's like to be bilked out of money. I would never inflict an uneven seperation of money on anyone. I'm suffering from the effects. If they didn't write the songs, I get all the money. If they were on stage, they get as much as I do.
Malto Meal
Where you can't see me. - Mon, Jun 07, 1999 at 16:15:53 (PDT)
Morrissey and Marr should only have recieved more than Rourke and Joyce for the songwriting, which is a totally separate thing from the income generated from album sales, tours, and merchandise, etc. Rourke and Joyce played the damn tours, no matter how hard Morrissey made it for them by not showing up etc., they spent hours in the studio, even though Morrissey often sung his part in one take. They most definitely were not replaceable. The rythym section work is some of the most original, innovative, and powerful work of the eighties. Rourke and Joyce definitely deserved 25 percent of the money the band generated. Since Marr and Morrissey wrote the songs, they get all of the songwriting income, but bands should split band money up equally.
Jeremy Jensen <[email protected]>
Boise, Idaho - Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 01:26:43 (PDT)
I think that The ex-Smiths Members Are just plain jealous of how far Morrissey Has Come into his Career. There A bunch Of Jealus Mother Fu*k*r*.
And thats what i have to say. Personally i think that Mike Joyce sucked and the only reason he was form The Smiths was because of Jhonny Marr other than that anyone could have replaced him
Lost
- Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 16:10:42 (PDT)
Morrissey and Marr were the Smiths, Rourke and Joyce were just in the band. they're lucky they got what they got. Morrissey and Marr should have took more. Whoever thinks a bass player and a drumer are equal to a vocalist and a guitarist/song writer, is a momo, and is probably listening or in a band with a real awful vocalist and guitarist/songwriter. All of you Smiths fans ask your self this questions truthfully, would you want to share the wealth you earned with someone who helped fill in the songs you came up with??? and where would the smiths be if there was no Morrissey or Marr, and were would the Smiths be if Rourke and Joyce never came along???
RockinKid
- Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 19:48:42 (PDT)
No two men..make up a band of four..no matter what
Nate <[email protected]>
- Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 21:56:42 (PDT)
the last comments regarding the contribution of base players and drummers are incredible. I cannot believe them.
The Smiths were FOUR guys...
two little tests:
a) imagine listening to "rusholme ruffians" withough rourke's bass line, or "london" without joyce's drumming.
b) now imagine that pic with the four guys in front of the Salford Lads Club, but, without Rourke or Joyce...
The Smiths were four guys. And I am sorry for talking about someone I don't know, but it seems to me that Morrissey is unreasonably greedy.
And I think his music will suffer for it...
That is why he is stuck with these 2nd rate rockabilly characters of days present...
bestfriendonthepayroll
- Tue, Jun 08, 1999 at 23:48:25 (PDT)
is it me or Joyce can't play drums worth s h it?
There no question about Morrissey/Marr's contributions . They were the geniuos behind the smiths. Rourke...we'll he was ok, but Joyce he SUCKS. It is no surprise to me that Suede (he auditioned for them in 1991) decided to take Simon instead of him and Simon is not all that.
If you listen to the Smiths' first album as great as it is (my fav). The drums are very choppy and unrhythmical. I've even noticed some mistakes that he makes is that album's version of You Got Everything Now.
In concert, he is not all that either. To me, It just sounds like some little KID playing the drums. There is no professionalism in the sound he creates. It is just there just to add the drum part, but with no creativity whatsoever.
The only song were drums sound good is Still Ill and I'm willing to bet that he did not come up with the part either.
rob <[email protected]>
- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 07:29:54 (PDT)
quite so!!! and there was no excuse for joyce playing such unimaginative and simple parts wrong. Granted he did get a bit more creative on strangeways, but then it was too late.
as for rourke, his parts were rather complex and most people who aren't victor wooten or john patitucci would have to practice quite a bit to get those licks clean.
joshua <[email protected]>
hell - Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 08:02:18 (PDT)
Listen to London without Joyce drumming? I have done. Morrissey has played it live on numerous occasions and its magnificent.
iain <[email protected]>
- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 14:18:00 (PDT)
What made "Hatful of Hollow" great was the driving beat behind it. Even if he is not technically the best drummer who ever lived, he makes the piece exciting just by the energy he plays with.
Taco Buffet
on a computer - Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:37:40 (PDT)
Wow, it seems that those of you who aren't aware of what bands do have a lot of ignorant opinions. For instance, "Barbarism begins at home" is such an enjoyable tune, first and foremost because of the incredible bass line off the bat. Who came up with the bass line? Andy did. How about the intro to the "Queen is Dead?" Who came up with that? Mike did. The point is, ALL 4 OF THEM CONTRIBUTED FOR ALL OF THE SONGS. These guys pale in comparison to MOZ and MARR, but they contributed a great deal of work in adding to the songs, though they didn't write them. So, as the songs were presented, they added to them and helped to complete the songs...this is a science...if there had been other musicians, the songs would have been a hell of alot different, because each one contributes their own style. The Smiths are a band that have influenced countless musicians, and not just because of a brilliant lyricist and a genious guitarist, but also because of a simple drummer, and an extraordinary bassist. I met Andy. He is a humble guy who blew it because of his addictions. I felt sorry for that bastard...so underrated, and incredible. If you see him around, give him a hug for me. I think that guy deserves more credit for what he did... I feel sorry for him. So hey kids, don't do drugs. :)
Javier Obregon <HeDrewAMozzerOnMyNeck>
Montclair, CA, USA - Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 05:57:34 (PDT)
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