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More Belle And Sebastian / Smiths comparisons
Posted on Thu, Jul 22 1999 at 10:01 a.m. PDT
by David T. <[email protected]>
From Rwilcox:

In this week's Philadelphia Weekly there was an article about the similarities between the two bands. The author, Joey Sweeny, tells us that he poured over the album sleeves of the Smiths and then Belle and Sebastian trying to look for key connections between the two.

He says, "I'll be damned if foolishness is going to stop from proving once and for all, that Belle and Sebastian and the Smiths were, in every Weekly World News sense of the term separated at birth." He goes on to explain, "Lyrically the tone of Tigermilk is frozen in the same sort of sweaty, desperate and ultimately sexless regret that characterizes the most compelling parts of the early Smiths stuff- i.e. "Hand in Glove," "Reel Around the Fountain" and "Rusholme Ruffians." But for B&S, that sort of alienation takes on theme-park proportions."

This writer is obviously a major fan of both bands, and I am as well; however I cannot agree with his separated at birth theory. The bands stand for two different ways of getting things accomplished. B&S are far more childlike, whimsical if you like. Where as I have always felt that Morrissey was trying to grapple with the inequalities of adulthood through his lyrics, once he discovered that one can never truly return to that innocence. He has never been afraid to mention what is unpleasant and vulgar. B&S are far more about denying that reality. Both have their charms, but it is inaccurate to lump them together in such a way.

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I agree. I also love Moz(ofcourse) and B&S. Some of their songs are happy and some of their songs are depressing and that's pretty much where the similarities end.
The Girl Racer <[email protected]>
Chicago - Thu, Jul 22, 1999 at 11:38:50 (PDT)



Denial? I surely wouldn't call it that. Moz and B&S just sing about two different facets of life. Sometimes those facets converge but there's no real need to compare them.
Billy Dudd <[email protected]>
The sweltering hot summer of Florida - Fri, Jul 23, 1999 at 13:21:46 (PDT)



Oh, and one more thing... B&S do see the conflict between that childlike innocence and life too. Most often this takes the form of sexual attraction ("Chickfactor"). So, don't call B&S naive, whatever you do.
Billy Dudd <[email protected]>
The sweltering hot summer of Florida - Fri, Jul 23, 1999 at 13:27:21 (PDT)



Sorry, I meant that I agreed with R.Wilcox not Joe Sweeny.

The Girl Racer <[email protected]>
Chicago - Sat, Jul 24, 1999 at 14:09:19 (PDT) | #4



I both a big Belle & Sebastion Fan and a huge Moz fan - however, I don't see any comparisions between the two bands other than that they're both awesome.

KEn <[email protected]>
Long Island - Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 11:14:11 (PDT) | #5



i see no comparison, not between the smiths & b&s or morrissey & b&s. actually i think the only comparison that can even be mooted would be that they all seem to appeal to similiar people, the comparisons would be more appropriately directed towards the tastes of the fans.

david <[email protected]>
london - Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 01:50:43 (PDT) | #6



the similarities between the two are more with the stories told. stu murdoch and morrissey both have a flair for telling stories and connecting with the listener with such stories, the stories put into words the awkwardness of growing up, of being in love, of daily life. Many times listening to the smiths ive felt morrissey put into words the weird situations id gotten myself into as a teenager, b&s also have this same flair. to deny that there are similarities is madness.

corby t. fugitt <[email protected]>
rocklin, ca - Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 08:14:52 (PDT) | #7



Hmm so the Jeepster boss denies the similarities yet comes on here, hehe. Their album/single artwork is directly lifted from The Smiths old hall of fame cover stars format, 3..6..9 seconds of light ep seems the most similar, although that's actually an old picture of Stuart Murdoch as a kid with his sister on the beach innit, so maybe they aren't copying as much as it would appear.

John <[email protected]>
Glasgow, Scotland - Sat, Jul 31, 1999 at 07:35:20 (PDT) | #8




* return to Morrissey-solo