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Morrissey listed in "2000 queers of the century", Genre Magazine
Posted on Mon, Dec 6 1999 at 9:42 a.m. PST
by David T. <[email protected]>
From Michael Fellows:

Morrissey is listed as one of the 2000 queers of our century (Dec./Jan. 2000 GENRE Magazine).

2000 Years, 2000 Queers and our allies
a family tree

There's comfort in numbers and strength in unity - and if you play six degrees of separation, you may have had sex with every person on this list.

We're here ,we're queer and we are family.

from the list in alphabetical order:

MORRISSEY- singer
PAUL MORRISSEY - director
(director of TRASH, The Smiths debut sleeve)

so does this mean all of our questions are true?

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Comments / Notes



Man, I can't believe u had any questions at all. I'll gladly clarify for u: Morrissey is gay. Period.

Billy Budd <Morrisseywasalwaysgay.com>
Vauxhall - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 10:07:00 (PST) | #1




I love Morrissey and I love literature but I knew from the beginning that any man loving Oscar Wilde as much as Morrissey does (which I find brilliant in character) must be gay (or extremely comfortable with their sexuality). And if all truth must be known - who cares if he is either? It changes n-o-t-h-i-n-g.

Zoey O'Neil
Eureka, Ca - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 11:01:13 (PST) | #2




Who cares if Morrissey is gay or not. Half the performers nowdays are gay or bi, even if they are scared to admit it. I think that it is a mistake on the part of this magizine to out Morrissey considering that he hasn't outed himself.

Oh yeah, long live Morrissey in l.a.

It also nice to hear that he added a new song to the tour. Finally. How about five more!

Noboby's Nothing <jbmdog @aol.com>
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 11:39:27 (PST) | #3




i really have nothing to say...

VAUXHALL
CA - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 12:09:58 (PST) | #4




If anyone anytime listened to some of the lyrics the man has written over the years, Morrissey´s
sexual preferences has been rather obvious since like...well, 1983?

Pär, Stockholm

Pär Lindström <[email protected]>
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 12:22:34 (PST) | #5




How can somoeone soo gay influence so many
who are not?

Moz,When you say its gonna happen now, what exactly do you mean?
Tampa FL - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 12:32:38 (PST) | #6




Well, it's a phenomen called "open mindism".

Bjørn Ove
Norway - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 12:44:13 (PST) | #7




This Charming Man
Vicar in a Tutu
Is it Really So Strange
Sheila Take a Bow
Handsome Devil
Let the Right One Slip In
He Knows I'd Love To See Him

Of Course he's gay. next subject...

Dagenham Dave
Chicago - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:03:22 (PST) | #8




I have no problem with morrissey being gay if he is. (I personally think he is bi) , but you guys do realize that this article is hardly substantial. Just some little magazine's view of things.

Corey Wittig
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:15:55 (PST) | #9




'Swallow'
'I can have both'
'What difference does it make' ect. ect. ect.

. . . the list goes on and on.

God, this is so boring

David T (a different one)
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:23:21 (PST) | #10




I agree with Corey Wittig.

Storee <[email protected]>
Screen name gives it away~ - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:23:31 (PST) | #11




We are so honored to have Morrissey named as one of the centuries queerest. How shameful is that?
He must feel much shame don't you think?

Ol Chap
Key West - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 13:41:23 (PST) | #12




Ol Chap, shut the *uck up man! Who are you to comment on his sexual preferences as if his preference is solid fact."Centuries queerest"?!

I would think it proper to have Morrissey comment on this subject not this Queer Pride Mag. Any normal person would agree that it's only okay to state something as fact, if it is fact, and Morrissey hasn't stated it yet, so where does this this Magazine get off?!

Mute001 <[email protected]>
San Jose, CA - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 14:19:46 (PST) | #13




I agree so much with you, mute001!

Maladjusted number two <[email protected]>
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 15:08:34 (PST) | #14




girdy is here.

girdy
girdyland - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 15:30:53 (PST) | #15




I'm glad to see that we finally have agreed...the mozzer is gay...But What Difference does it make? All the difference if you ask me...coz if he wasn't gay, then his lyrics, style and stage persona would be totally different. I recall an article from Details magazine, where Moz had to leave early coz his friend "Jake" wanted to go shopping...Jake is also thanked in the sleeve of Vauxhall and I. Think about it

Ronny
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 16:11:47 (PST) | #16




You guys are so(!) stupid... You still haven't learned, have you?

rob <[email protected]>
not that I'm smart or anything - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 17:38:14 (PST) | #17




I love it. These postings always start off all nice and sweet, then some dingle berry starts taking Morrissey way too seriously and scratches at everyone elses fun. I love it!! You fuhckin inbreds should at least admit that Morrissey MIGHT be gay, right? Besides, because he HASN'T said he is gay, doesn't mean..blah, blah, @#!!!in blah. I grow tired of the pale, white twenty-somethings of today. Get out of the house and blow the stink off. Morrissey likes boy bums!!!!

J.J.
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:08:05 (PST) | #18




Morrissey Gay?!!!
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!no!!!!!!!!!!ahhh!!!!!!!!!!!!no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bent as pewter
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:41:57 (PST) | #19




What Morrissey gay?? I would have NEVER guessed it.....I cannot believe this...I guess we dont have a future together now. I feel cheated =)

Interlude <[email protected]>
Long Beach, California - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 18:58:11 (PST) | #20




morrissey said it best:

"...The "age of consent" doesn't interest me, nor that kind of self-advertisement. But as far as sexuality is concerned I do feel very strongly about it. Therefore, I have a very non-sexual stance, seeing people as humanist. There's so much degeneration in modern life the last thing we need is a massive chasm between the sexes, which gets wider as the year passes.

All the so-called liberators spout excessive hatred. On the one side feminists scream men are the enemies, they're killing us, on the other extreme it's the Tetley bittermen machismo thing. I refuse to recognise the terms hetero-, bi-, and homo-sexual. Everybody has exactly the same sexual needs. People are just-sexual, the prefix is immaterial."

xoxoxo

felipe messina guzman <[email protected]>
s.f. bay area, san mateo-aztlan - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 19:57:45 (PST) | #21




hand in glove!

ejcmp
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 20:04:58 (PST) | #22




.....and not to mention all the cover stars and idols. I guess his choice of sexuality has attracted many male fans to his concerts bearing flowers and going on stage to hug and kiss the man. Simply put it, the man has made me a more sensitive and close to nature and open my eyes to many things, including great books, great movies, and certain idols. Who doesn't want to be James Dean...and we all know his uncertainty with his sexuality.

Moz cowboy <[email protected]>
Long Beach - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 20:19:40 (PST) | #23




umm, i may be wrong here, but i coulda sworn i once heard somewhere moz was with michael stipe of REM...but even if this is wrong, u can soooo tell morrissey may be gay.

1001110
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 20:38:15 (PST) | #24




Who knows, who cares. Only he and any former lovers know for sure, and unless he himself says otherwise, I'd say its pretty obvious that he is basically scared of sex (hence the celibacy thing) and in all likelihood he finds himself attracted to members of both sexes.

All that really matters is that he's a seemingly beautiful human being, in-touch with the realities of life both pleasant and horrendous, eloquently singing about it for all of us to share.

Whatever his "sexual" preference is, he's still the beautiful, wonderful and ever-enthralling Morrissey......and that's all that really matters. Unless he asks a fan to bed...and I don't see that happening too soon...we'll likely never know for sure, which is probably his intent.

Just enjoy the show.

Amy Beth <[email protected]>
Columbus, Ohio - Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 20:57:46 (PST) | #25




this all sounds like an episode of the ambiguously gay duo....with a few differences of course...

will moz play the east coast?
will moz release a new record soon?
what does he mean by "the sun shines out of our behinds"????

tune in tomorrow...same ambiguous time on...

THE AMBIGUOUSLY GAY ROCK STAR!

state of emergency
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 22:39:32 (PST) | #26




People who seem to dwell on the aspiration of Morrissey coming out of the closet, need to wait, and if he is gay we will find out in time. I personally, think he refuses any label which restrict anything he does. As respect to Morrissey, I wish that all of you shut your mouths until he opens his about this subject....

mozmiths
- Mon, Dec 06, 1999 at 23:50:27 (PST) | #27




It is rumered that Morrissey has had a very extensive and deep relationship with his personal assitant Jake Walters. It was said the songs "Sunny" and HE Cried" are based upon this relationship. I don't know if Morrissey is gay but if he is i dont care cause thats his personal life. Morrissey will always be Morrissey he will live his life as he will undoubtly die!

blues boy <[email protected]>
Los Angeles - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 00:00:24 (PST) | #28




mozzer is gay. i know for shure.

someone male <yes, but i won´t let you know>
- Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 00:03:56 (PST) | #29




Who @#!!!ing Cares...That makes two of us..

Aesthetician <[email protected]>
San Diego - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 00:36:23 (PST) | #30




I always just assumed he was gay with no clue as to why one wouldn't but, nonetheless, I'm glad he's quiet about it or ambiguous or whatever. there's nothing tackier than an out star these days. atleast in america.

tommySalami
- Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 05:01:39 (PST) | #31




I don't mind Mozz being gay...as long as he doesn't go to the Gay Pride and dress like Boy Georges.

jeanM <[email protected]>
- Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 07:57:53 (PST) | #32




I never said Moz was "weak" "light in the loafers" "Limp wristed" etc. I
just said he must feel much shame being on that list. Agree?

Ol Chap
Key West - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 08:05:57 (PST) | #33




Amy Beth and Felipe: take your intelligence and run before the idiocy of the others begins to corrupt you......

hmmmm....
- Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 08:19:10 (PST) | #34




Let me guess..........Amy Beth or Felipe is
posing as hmmmmmmmmm. Its pretty obvious don't
you think? We think your way of thinking is wrong! out!!!!

Warren
Chespaw - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 08:33:31 (PST) | #35




Oh come on, everyone knows Moz was riding Jake's pole. He gave up the celibacy deal a long time ago.

-Now my mouth is full.

VICAR IN A TUTU
NY - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 09:51:48 (PST) | #36




I find all this talk about him being gay or who he's slept with more than a bit shallow. Who honestly cares.

Spiral Stairs <[email protected]>
- Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 10:38:25 (PST) | #37




Well for awhile now I have been pondering the question is Morrissey gay or not and then after awhile I really didn't seem to care! I don't think he is gay but if he comes out with it then I will support him 100%, well if he is straight woohoo Im available! Well there is my slice of life! Thanks!

Anna Serrano <[email protected]>
El Paso, Texas aka El Hell Hole - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 11:02:13 (PST) | #38




If morrissey is gay or bi, let him be. As long as he keeps it to himself, it's cool. He still makes very good music and he still is cool. Just leave him alone. Can't wait to see him next week at the palladium, go Moz. Morrissey stills rules. VIVA MORRISSEY.

Bigmouth <[email protected]>
Los Angeles - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 13:16:10 (PST) | #39




I agree w/ Amy Beth, Felipe, and Hmmmm...even if they may all be one and the same! Wot's Warren got his knickers in a twist for?

J. Razor
- Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 13:57:43 (PST) | #40




Must a man be gay after sleeping with another man? And if a man has sexual feelings for another man and never acts upon them, what is he then? Is the line between being a fag and being enamored with a man (or men) drawn separating a (micro)violent sexual act, and a feeling of fascination or submission before a man.
I don't know who this Jake W. is, but if his penis was more important than countless examples of sexual tension and passion which were tamed by abstinence and converted into artistic expression, if this was more important to Morrissey, then he would be lying to you, or else I would be hypocritical for wanting to see Morrissey as a man greater than us regular people who are allowed to have sex.

decko koji obecava
- Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 13:58:39 (PST) | #41




Morrissey is completely celibate. He is not gay or straight, he is neither. He never has sex with men or women, nor will he ever.

Billy Budd <;)>
Vauxhall - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 15:00:20 (PST) | #42




I just hope that Morrissey don´t see the stupid things that you write here.

Rui Alves
- Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 15:21:26 (PST) | #43




I recently got a look at some pics of Morrissey's private 40th b-day party...Morrissey with a (female...pretty hot, too) stripper...hmmm...

Johnny1999
- Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 16:37:07 (PST) | #44




dear warren,

i would never hide behind an anonymous moniker. that would take all of the fun out of receiving direct correspondence from the few vibrant and passionate morrissey diggin' souls left throughout the world.

by the way, despite all of the vitriol and the unending lack of capacity to be loving to one another in this virtual morrissey world; i find this site priceless, and want to take this opportunity to express my undying love for you all-even those ready to accuse one of pedantry.

see you all at the san francisco shows this weekend!

xoxoxo

incorruptible,

felipe messina guzman <[email protected]>
s.f. bay area, san mateo-aztlan - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 18:04:39 (PST) | #45




Did any of you idiots actualy read the title of the article. did anyone notice the phrase "and our allies". they don't actualy say he is gay. Perhaps the are pointing out the fact that his music and lyrics (whatever the hell they mean sometimes) have been inspirational to alot of gay people. Relax everyone this article means nothing.

Niko <[email protected]>
Buffalo, New York - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 18:28:44 (PST) | #46




I thought I'd visit this page again to see what others have written....I completely agree w/ Niko. And um, as a rule I don't usually post more than one comment, but had to retort just once to "warren" that when I post, I post only as who I am--Amy Beth--and that's that. I'd say "hmmmm" must be my friend Jay (first guess) or perhaps Miss Christine, though I'd wager its Jay. Anyway, its all immaterial. Morrissey is Morrissey so just love him and enjoy :-)

Amy Beth <[email protected]>
Columbus, Ohio - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 19:27:49 (PST) | #47




"Most" people keep their brains between their legs.......

Aesthetician <[email protected]>
San Diego - Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 22:22:32 (PST) | #48




Actually, I'm not a friend to anyone.....I almost never post comments, but felt it was necessary this time.....I should probably just let you all wallow in your own stupidity and not bother saying a word, but what fun would that be? Morrissey is a beautiful, loving creature who will always remain unspoiled by the trappings of sexuality......

hmmmm
- Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 22:45:52 (PST) | #49




i don't think anyone can avoid the trappings of sexuality ('Trouble Loves Me'). And I don't buy the whole " I don't care if he's gay or straight" thing. Because I think every Morrissey fan feels personally involved. The question is relevant and apparently provocative. In fact it seems to be the first question to come up with everyone I've ever discussed him with. What's up with all of this anti-sex = Morrissey trash? The man is wearing Gucci these days.

tommySalami
- Tue, Dec 07, 1999 at 23:57:21 (PST) | #50




Oscar Wilde said it best:
"The only sexual perversion is celibacy"

Little charmer
- Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 06:05:53 (PST) | #51




Gay, Straight? Who cares? I think Morrissey is mostly just because I want him like most other men who listen to him.

What I am sick of is the stigma of being gay. I am gay and I would not change for anyone. Morissey's constant hiding and celebacy is bullsh#t.

And come on celebacy. A 40something old man. Hello!!! I think stroking would only last for a few decades but by now I am sure he is riding the hobby horse.

How long does he expect us to believe that one.
Maybe I should find that public restroom that G. Michael was caught and just wait for Morrissey to show up.

Woooo Hooo!! :]

Jim <[email protected]>
- Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 07:04:14 (PST) | #52




The park that G.Michael made famous is Will Rogers Park in Pacific Palisades on Sunset Blvd.

I'll be looking for Moz too!
See you there!!
"and if you ever need self-validation, just meet me in the alley by the railway station"
"pin and mount me...like a butterfly"
"a boy in the bush is worth two in the hand"

Rubber Ring
CA - Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 07:36:26 (PST) | #53




Yeah, Mozzer probably plays the skin flute.

What is more interesting is that he writes really beautifully about love, longing, disappointment, sexuality, obsession, insecurity . . .

David T (a different one)
- Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 09:12:33 (PST) | #54




If I had to sleep with another man, it would be Morrissey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anon
- Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 19:13:21 (PST) | #55




You people are so small minded:WHO CARES?

Jeremy Smith <[email protected]>
Bluefield,Va U.S.A. - Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 19:22:28 (PST) | #56




hes bi leave it at that with some clear optimism for the unlucky female race

bettie jean <[email protected]>
east coast - Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 20:59:48 (PST) | #57




Who cares if Morrissey is gay. It doesn't matter and certainly should not be a debate issue. Let it go!

J.P. <[email protected]>
Vegas - Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 21:19:12 (PST) | #58




MORRISSEY HASN"T ADMITED IT YET!!!!!!!
He has had alot of female influence in his life. That doesn't mean he's gay. Writing some of the songs he has doesn't mean anything. What if he is just writing from a female's point of view?????
If he is I know I don't give a damn.

boyracer
- Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 22:49:47 (PST) | #59




If Morrissey loves members of the male sex, and I think he does, then that's a beautiful thing. I'm sure he loves them in a genuine and romantic way, like women love men, and there's nothing ugly about it. It's not just about sex. I just want him to experience all the love and happiness he can. He's still the most beautiful human being imaginable, and I love him so much. Why should we want to reduce him this way?

Miriam
- Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 08:11:44 (PST) | #60




Of course he's gay, anyone with half a brain would know that just from a cursory glance at the lyrics of the first Smiths album, much in the same way you would from The Pet Shop Boys. But I think it's a little unfair putting him in there cos of course he hasn't had the decency to come out.. which is fair enough, it's not as if we didn't know. But is also self-serving and non-role model providing for the gay community.

John <[email protected]>
Queer old Blighty - Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 11:53:25 (PST) | #61




i never wanted to believe that the moz was gay because im not to keen on gays.but if he is hes an exception in my book. hes a great artist. if anything i think hes bi because my freind told me she read a book and that it said that he wanted to marry a girl but she dumped him.this probably made him turn to guys who knows. we all have that question in our heads: is morrissey gay? and we probably will never know.

RIPPR5150 <[email protected]>
long beach, ca - Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 12:45:49 (PST) | #62




As long as he shows up to the San Diego and Hollywood shows, I'll be one happy camper. All you homophobes out there, give it up!! If he is, he is, and if he's not, then so be it, but don't get anal if someone says he is...everyone's got their opinion. And mine is, well, that I personally don't care if he is or not. I still find him irresistable. ;)

maribel <[email protected]>
california - Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 13:11:01 (PST) | #63




oh yes it's the moment you've all been waiting for
"James' response"
I haven't seen this much homophobia on a web page
since I looked at godhatesfags.com

Now I see why Morrissey doesn't come out completely, so many of you are ignorant bastards!
So, whatever you do don't stage rush Morrissey, you might catch it from him!

Niko (#46) is absolutely right on this one
the article does not say he's gay...just and ally.
which is much more than I can say for many of you.

That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore.
Hand in Glove
Handsome Devil
This Charming Man
Rusholme Ruffians
Miserable Lie
Sheila Take a Bow
Is it Really so Strange?
Maladjusted
Satan Rejected My Soul
I am Hated for Loving (apparently by some of his own "fans")

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!

I have spoken, bastards unite and respond.

James (the one you all hate) <[email protected]>
Toronto, Canada - Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 21:49:54 (PST) | #64




I think some of you are absolutely despicable and shouldn't be allowed to have children. What kind of ignorance, intolerance and hatred are you gonna teach them? Maybe your parents were homophobic too and that's where you got it from. It's about humanity - it takes guts to be gentle and kind, and by the looks of it here some of you are far from it. The thing I don't like about Moz is the fans, the laddish homophobic sector aren't real fans, Smiths/Moz and homophobia don't mix. True, contrary to popular opinion, vast majority of fans are straight.. but I also thought they'd have a brain. Moz was actually spat on in concerts in the days of The Smiths.. prolly from people like some of you.

John <[email protected]>
Queer old Blighty - Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 00:02:50 (PST) | #65




Oh and Moz hasn't be celibate for years.. two words - Jake Walters... and there's been more before and since.. James Maker.. and a current one in LA now.. take the log from thine eye people, the celibacy was mostly an act.. I could get litigous and mention his alleged involvement with former Smiths members but I shan't.. oops! It's all a bit Culture Club innit "The Beatles - four healthy young boys, they're bound to fuc* everything in site, including each other!" - Gary Oldman - "Prick Up Your Ears" - a movie in which he played gay playwright Joe Orton - another Moz influence.. like hello!

John <[email protected]>
Queer old Blighty - Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 00:09:44 (PST) | #66




Oh and did anyone notice a few years ago, Michael Stipe echoing Moz's comments on his sexuality - "I'm not homo, hetero or bisexual, just sexual" and he came out last year(partially - admitted to having *gasp* slept with both men and women!) Which just goes to show that all the best artists are gay or at least bi.. (except Bowie cos he faked it lol)

John <[email protected]>
Queer old Blighty - Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 00:24:56 (PST) | #67




Why is it that Morrissey's sexuality continues to be an issue for so many of his fans? Regardless of his preferences, we as fans have all been able to identify with him.Does it really make any difference to us if he prefers the company of men? Would it make a difference to his gay fans if he fell in love with a woman? The thing that makes the sexuality of his songs so powerful to us is that they speak in truths that touch us personally.We all have found our sexuality awkward, frustrating, confusing and yes, even enchanting. I have never found another artist who so deftly encapsulates those elements in outrageously clever pop songs. I really couldn't care less who Moz does or doesn't sleep with, because his songs say SOMETHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE.All this questioning is just silly!

Thomas <[email protected]>
California - Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 02:30:31 (PST) | #68




Dear John/Madonissey,

RE. "...non-role model providing for the gay community."

What is the "gay community" anyway? And what makes anyone a 'role model' for people who represent the diversity of humanity itself?

Morrissey's work has constantly reflected the inconsistency and fluctuating nature of sexuality - the fact that it's not and shouldn't be, a cut and dried thing where one pigeon-holes oneself as being this, that or the other.

"Being Gay Is A Waste Of Time" - The Divine David. Discuss.

Like my other heroes Gilbert & George, I dislike the word ‘gay’ - "it was stolen from female prostitutes in eighteenth-century London". Used to address individuals ‘of a certain persuasion’, the word has become a marketing device for third-rate goods, brainwashing individuals into believing "its the way I’m supposed to dress", "they’re the clubs I’m meant to go to" and "these are the kind of records I should buy" (like, erm…how many Hazel Dean records can intellectually sustain a person?). Like Morrissey I never have, and never will define myself as ‘gay’ or ‘straight’. Here in Manchester Canal Street culture (or lack of it) continues to marginalise sexuality in a way that seems completely unhealthy to me. Arguments that it exists as a ‘safe space’ appear redundant: the hoards of orange-faced queens in 4x4's (taking Queer As Folk just a little too seriously), lager-louts and baby-dolled babes parading up and down the stretch, make it clear that its not - a rough district of Benidorm would be a more accurate comparison. Nor is it, as last year’s Mardi Gras slogan suggested, a place to ‘Express Yourself’ - if your face, body or clothes don’t fit, the gay scene can be one of the most intimidating and isolating experiences to be had - while the big brewery invasion and corporate attitude of many businesses makes it difficult to try and do anything unusual or dare I say ‘arty’ (unless that means decorating a bar with black and white Athena-style shots of naked men).

I've never understood the need to ‘celebrate’ and take ‘pride’ in my sexuality. When did gays ever need an excuse to celebrate? And ‘pride’ is all too often based on the false sense of self gay people acquire when they allow their entire identities as human beings to be subsumed by their sexuality - ‘I @#!!!, therefore I am’. Like being black or a being a woman, being gay isn’t something in itself to proud of. Being born wasn’t your doing. Neither was being gay. So why be ‘proud’ of something that you didn’t even do?

Of course my criticism of this shiny, happy, all-singing, all-dancing gay world will be met by cries of Anti-Gay!" or dismissed as ‘internalised homophobia’ because we’ve all been sold the lie that "Everybody’s Free - to do what they want to do". But I don’t believe it. If you live within a ghetto, you live with a ghetto mentality and the day when we all live together in peace and harmony simply ain't gonna come. Its time to move on, to move mentally out of Canal, Old Compton and Christopher Streets. Why be defined by your sexuality? True liberation comes without needing or even wanting to feel ‘gay’ or ‘straight’. Hold on to your homework and throw your rainbow flags on to the fire. ‘Come out’ and find the one that you love.

p.s. Oh and about Morrissey being spat on. I was at a Smiths gig at Swansea's now defunct Top Rank club in 1984, where he was covered in spit by some idiots down the front - He put them down with a brilliant "And you can stop spitting... plastic punks who did that where I come from, were laughed out of town in 1976." All to rapturous applause from the rest of the audience.

Ryan
Manchester, UK - Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 04:12:43 (PST) | #69




Gay, bi, anywhere... Don't you really have any other serious problems? Didn't Moz teach you anything? All those comments are like gossip about some @#!!!ing soap opera. I don't understand your standpoint. Spending cold winterdays indoor and wandering whether he's a gay or not. I know that everyone'd love to @#!!! his idol, but please, leave him alone, because he's alright there...

Shakespeare's Brother <[email protected]>
Opole, Poland - Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 05:07:41 (PST) | #70




RYAN!!!!

Your comments shall NOT be met with a statement of
"Ryan, you're a big Nazi homophobe" by me anyway.
I work in "the gay ghetto" in Toronto for the past three years now and have been "out" for close to ten. Your views are stunningly accurate of the "gay community" - the community that you must be white, under 35, go to the gym, have a condo, car,
make over $35,000 per year, love dance music, dress in designer clothes, and bitch and hate everyone who doesn't.

Sounds like Germany about 1942 if you ask me.
And NOT a "community."

And about "pride day" (which by the way I now refer to as "slut" or "beer day")
was started in the late sixties and in particular with Stonewall in New York City as a result of Police raids...I was an annual politcal march for "Equal Rights" now that (finally) those rights are starting to come in through the Goverments and Courts. The beer companies have realised that we gay folk a hell of alot and now Pride Day has become "Beer Pride Day"

Sorry, I know this has nothing to do with Morrissey but I'm just responding to Ryan,
Bravo Ryan!

And oh ya, Thomas #68 from California,
If Morrissey fell in Love with a woman...I'd say he was lucky, it takes alot of balls to be a queer. I wouldn't wish my enemies to be gay, it IS a tough life.
I would also like to know where he gets his gay influence, inuendoes, homoerotism, cause he sure knows what he's talking about.

Thanks for letting me babble!

James (the one you all hate) <[email protected]>
Toronto, Canada - Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 12:12:19 (PST) | #71




This entire issue is very simple. Morrissey is a lyrical genius. Homosexual fans would like to think that he is gay. Heterosexual fans know he is not gay.
If your comfortable with your sexuality, does this issue even matter? I wish the queer community would think about the consequences of making such a bold statement. I think the queer community really fu.k up by nominating Morrissey the number one queer.
If he is or is not gay, it makes no difference to me. I am comfortable with my sexuality and proud to say that I will be hetersexual till the day I die. This sound like non-sense huh. Well it is. SO why dont we let Morrissey sing his life and show him some respect. How about we keep our opinions about his sexualality to orselves.

Rebel From Hell
Orange County CA - Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 12:16:40 (PST) | #72




You're being very naive and idealistic if you think his sexuality isn't an issue, maybe it shouldn't be, but that's not the way the world works. And I'd say most of his hetero fans know and accept he is gay, and hence are tolerant - most of his fans are hetero anyway. The skinheads/Nazis are in a very nasty minority(I hope)

Re: Ryan - I certainly agree with you about the gay scene. I was actually in Canal Street when I was at the Manchester Moz convention and it was terrifying, I felt so out of place there. Sure, it was safe and everything, but everyone looked the same, it was so homogenised. I despise the fact that the stereotypes about the scene are true, you have to wear certain clothes and listen to Kylie - I might be gay but aren't stupid!

That is why we so badly need role-models who don't fit this stereotype, there is a dearth or total lack of gay stars to look up to who aren't cliched and don't fit the standard mould of what a gay person is like or should be. I don't think it'd do Moz's career any damage if he came out, it would probably help it if he started being honest.. ok so everyone knows, but why not just admit to happiness.. he said now his heart was full after all. It wouldn't be tacky if he did it, a la Portillo/Gately/Michael - the reason they were a laughing stock was cos they were in the closet anyway. Moz should be allowed to come out and if some fans don't like it and want him in the closet then they're hypocritical or weren't real fans in the first place.

John <[email protected]>
Queer old Blighty - Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 14:40:50 (PST) | #73




I will keep this short since everyone is so quick to judge in here.

I would have never expected such bull@#!!! and cruel speculation from Morrissey fans. Everyone is trying to place him in a category so they can call him a friend or a foe. Is he one of them or one of us? Where does he stand? This uncertainty seems to justify your comments/remarks on his sexuality. Morrissey is a person keep that in mind. People feel and you can’t treat him like he is a product on a shelf trying to figure out does it go under here or here. One of the worst comments I heard was by RIPPR5150 from long beach, ca - Thu, Dec 09, 1999 at 12:45:49 (PST) | #62. “im not to keen on gays.but if he is hes an exception in my book.” What is this? Do you not see this is as bad as saying: I’m not keen on (pick any race) but I will make an exception. The point is when you post these messages please think about what you are saying….really hard because we are not discussing just a mere material thing. Morrissey is a person. Morrissey feels like you and I. This needs to be respected. Just try to keep this in mind when you make these judgments and post them.

damien <[email protected]>
Northern California - Sun, Dec 12, 1999 at 13:08:07 (PST) | #74




I think the maganize had no rigth to lised MORRISSEY as a queer just because he dosen't like men or women which make's him selibate dosen't give the rigth to say that he gay if you are going to say that about him or anyone you better have great evadents which I think they don't have nothing on MORRISSEY...

Adrian Loya <[email protected]>
- Sun, Dec 12, 1999 at 15:48:26 (PST) | #75




Awwwwww. . . Conan O' Brien's not on tonight.
Sundays suck, am I right?! Oh Boy.

Alex
- Sun, Dec 12, 1999 at 16:18:02 (PST) | #76




I don't have an agenda here cos I don't fancy Moz, he's handsome I suppose but don't do much for me in the trouser department(g) So I don't care if he's gay, just know he is, y'know what they say - takes one to know one etc. I was always more of a Johnny Marr and (ahem) Mike Joyce kinda guy anyway.. I always fall for the straight ones, lol.

John <[email protected]>
Queer old Blighty - Mon, Dec 13, 1999 at 17:22:53 (PST) | #77




like a decade ago I had a hard time accepting that he might be, but by now it's pretty obvious to me but makes no difference at all. I like him more than ever, just for being himself. I hope he never changes and that element of mystery remains forever.

matt "...but i'm still fond of you"

matt <[email protected]>
San Diego - Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:00:55 (PST) | #78




Ok...if he is gay..what u are all going to do turn away?!?!? who cares what he is...I dont! & I never will...Besides just because this magazine said he is...did it come out from his own mouth?? We should not judge him on what we hear...Besides us fans ahould not judge him PERIOD!!!...MORRISSEY i love you no matter what u are!!!!

BrendA <[email protected]>
Cali... - Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 15:02:10 (PST) | #79




One word.....Linder

Two sentances....."What do we get for our trouble and pain, just a rented room in Whalley Range....."

"I recognise that mystical air, it means I'd like to see your underwear..."

Linder lived in Whalley Range....you work it out

Kate <[email protected]>
Halifax, England - Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 05:32:40 (PST) | #80




James, where do i begin?

All I really want to clarify is that
Michael Strip has finally come out.

His exact quote is " I thought my queerness
was evident from the start."

Jim <[email protected]>
- Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 08:56:50 (PST) | #81






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