"Bigmouth strikes again and again: why Morrissey fans feel so betrayed" by Tim Jonze - The Guardian

Another hatchet job in The Guardian

Bigmouth strikes again and again: why Morrissey fans feel so betrayed - The Guardian
By Tim Jonze

Once his songs of loneliness and shyness made him a hero to misfits and outsiders. Yet now he is voicing his support for a far-right party


Morrissey response:
Media coverage:
 
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Isn't it rather puerile to continue to treat Morrissey's misguided and confused politics as if the issue is of any significance whatsoever?

The key here is that Morrissey's talents were always rooted in ambiguity and ambivalence. That was evident not only in songs like "We'll Let You Know", "Bengali in Platforms", "Asian Rut" and "The National Front Disco", but also in "Girl Afraid", "Reel Around The Fountain" and "Late Night, Maudlin Street". This is what he's lost, since around 2007/2008/2009 (although I still like a lot of the music) – his clever and genuine ambiguity and conflict. It follows that the lyrics and the interviews and the statements are more often than not, blunt and crass. But eccentricity and self-sabotage is his way...
 
Uncle Skinny makes a very valid point: if people are saying this article is full of lies, then list the lies. I’ll make it easy for you by listing the facts. Everything in this list will be completely true, not an opinion.

1. Morrissey wears a badge of far right political party For Britain.

2. Morrissey supports far right wing political party For Britain. He did say “there is only one British political party that can safeguard our security” on his own website. There is no other way to take this other than support for the party. Also, you can only get those badges if you’ve become a member.

3. For Britain is a far right wing political party.

4. He has shown support for Tommy Robinson by condemning the media’s treatment of him.

5. He is a rape apologist. “When you are in somebody’s bedroom, you have to be aware of where that can lead”, he said of Kevin Spacey’s sexual assault of a 14 year old. Also “They play along. Afterwards they feel embarrassed” about Harvey Weinstein’s female accusers.

There. That’s just 5 points. If anyone can make a list of the lies they think are in the article, please do so.
Morrissey can wear what he likes - it's called freedom of choice. Is that something you'd deny EVERYONE?
Morrissey can support who he likes. For Britain are not an underground organisation. They paid their money, found candidates and were given LEGITIMACY by the UK voting system NOT a singer. You and the skinnybot3000's of this world seem oblivious of this FACT. If you want to direct your anger and outrage correctly, put your energies in to voting reform. Anyone in the UK is FREE to vote for any candidate in an election and those candidates are deemed ok by the Government. Using the term far right in the way you do is just melodramatic. They are a legitimate political party and anyone has the absolute right to show them support. The fact nobody votes for them is democracy in action and that's just terrible isn't it?
The ridiculous fear mongering of suggesting that he's a nazi because he is doing something that any member of the public can do when being presented with a legitimate (there's that word again) choice of parties is where your kind go wrong. Misplaced outrage is all the rage. Go question the government as to why For Britain exist and why THEY let them do so in the first place and then target singers when/if they outlaw support for such obviously terrible (yet legitimate) people.
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Morrissey fans love morrissey and do not feel betrayed by him stop bullying morrissey we have had enough already
Bullying, you say? Is that where we're at? No further dispute about the facts, so that's where we're at? The poor widdle wamb.

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Bullying, you say? Is that where we're at? No further dispute about the facts, so that's where we're at? The poor widdle wamb.

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Is this your eldest with the science degree? I can see the resemblance.
Another dinnertime spat over your favourite obsession.
 
His British fans love him and because of the bullshit bullies we have to putup with we're missing out on his beautiful physique
 
Morrissey can wear what he likes - it's called freedom of choice. Is that something you'd deny EVERYONE?
Morrissey can support who he likes. For Britain are not an underground organisation. They paid their money, found candidates and were given LEGITIMACY by the UK voting system NOT a singer. You and the skinnybot3000's of this world seem oblivious of this FACT. If you want to direct your anger and outrage correctly, put your energies in to voting reform. Anyone in the UK is FREE to vote for any candidate in an election and those candidates are deemed ok by the Government. Using the term far right in the way you do is just melodramatic. They are a legitimate political party and anyone has the absolute right to show them support. The fact nobody votes for them is democracy in action and that's just terrible isn't it?
The ridiculous fear mongering of suggesting that he's a nazi because he is doing something that any member of the public can do when being presented with a legitimate (there's that word again) choice of parties is where your kind go wrong. Misplaced outrage is all the rage. Go question the government as to why For Britain exist and why THEY let them do so in the first place and then target singers when/if they outlaw support for such obviously terrible (yet legitimate) people.
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Thank you for your reply, “Anonymous”.

Of course, Morrissey is entitled to support who he likes. But For Britain ARE a far right political party. Any small amount of reading will show that. Google them. It’s not a secret. But Morrissey said he doesn’t support any political party when he clearly does. So, you know, that’s another lie he’s told.

Also, you didn’t mention anything about him taking the side of sexual predators and basically blaming a 14 year old for getting sexually assaulted. You OK with him saying that?
 
Moz has only himself to blame. He went on this self directed boorish zenaphobic diatribe to this NME journalist during an hour interview. Moz could have spoken about any subject and chose this. I'd be more understanding if it was in context of him waiting for his heamoroids to be removed on the NHS or trying to get his grand children into a local primary school. He lives as a wealthy foriegner in far off lands where his only daily concern is if its too early to start drinking. He's sadly loosing his humanity and perspective becoming more resentful when he could be joyful, thankfull and kind.
 
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Morrissey is not right-wing. This is important to remember, because it puts in perspective what the media, such as the Guardian, are doing. First of all, they are making into 'unpersons' (or 'depersoning' as I have now heard it called) anyone who disagrees with them. Historically, this has tended to be people who are actually on the right. Depersoning is no better if it's done to someone on the right than to someone differently placed on the political map, but this is how the strategy begins. Then, once it's okay for them (seen as acceptable) to deperson people on the right, they can deperson anyone they bloody well please, just by saying, "They're on the right," or making the suitable insinuations. As I said, depersoning anyone is wrong. Criticism, fine; justice, good! Depersoning - no! With all this in mind I'd recommend watching this video and asking yourself if you want these leftist tactics to prevail:



One irony is that Morrissey has even contributed to this tendency in society during the course of his career - the idea of mob justice ('Margaret on the Guillotine') and binary good v. evil ('There are some bad people on the right'.). And I have, too. But I am becoming sick of it.

The Guardian is simply trying to deperson Morrissey now. And they're not the only ones. Even if you're loyal to the left, you don't have to take this depersoning attitude - you shouldn't. There are alternatives, as discussed here:

 
Moz has only himself to blame. He went on this self directed boorish zenaphobic diatribe to this NNE journalist during an hour interview. Moz could have spoken about any subject and chose this. I'd be more understanding if it was in context of him waiting for his heamoroids to be removed on the NHS or trying to get his grand children into a local primary school. He lives as a wealthy foriegner in far off lands where his only daily concern is if its too early to start drinking. He's sadly loosing his humanity and perspective becoming more resentful when he could be joyful, thankfull and kind.

One of Morrissey's several blind spots is his inability to realize how his words look on a paper and are perceived by others. He has a habit of attacking the media even in the cases in which they have just printed the things he has said -- like the Der Spiegel thing -- because he can't stand any other feedback than the blind adoration from fans. This is especially strange, when he himself has a habit of wishing death on his enemies in very trivial matters, all part of his morbid sense of humour.
 
I find it quite strange that Tim Jonze has written a hit piece on Morrissey, yet Tim continues to use Twitter, even though Twitter allows white supremacists to use its platform.

"Twitter is researching whether it should ban white supremacists
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/29/...e-supremacy-research-radicalization-ban-block


Of course, a smart person like myself, knows that it would be silly to assume that everyone that uses Twitter is a white supremacist just because Twitter hasn't banned them. Just like it would be silly to assume that anyone that supports For Britain is a supporter of the far-right. Some things aren't that simple.

I still watch films that Harvey Weinstein was involved with. That doesn't mean that I support what he did. Same goes for Kevin Spacey.


 
No one has made that list of lies yet.

More lies! I made a list on page 1 of this thread. Also, Tim Jonze said that he lied while working at the NME and they issued an apology. Tim has a long history of lying when it comes to Morrissey.
 
So many lies! Even in the title:

"Morrissey fans feel so betrayed" - No we don't. @ The Guardian You don't speak for us.


Odd, me and my best friend hate him now because of his Tommy Robinson backing (he's a scumbag)

Not saying it's all fans, but you don't speak for all of us, either

"To see Morrissey embrace the far right so openly was shocking," - He hasn't embraced them. He's just supporting a party that isn't labour or tory.

Nice way to paper over the disgusting party he supported, equating them with the Greens or something

"A record store in Cardiff decided not to stock the album, with its owner saying sales of his music had nosedived because “customers are saying they can no longer buy into his increasingly divisive politics, not even for ‘old times’ sake" - Yay! More lies! As confirmed on Amazon and iTunes.

How on earth does iTunes show if one shop in Wales had lower sales? You're reaching

Journalism is such an easy job. All you have to do, is make shit up!

Like you have here? f*** yourself.
 
No one has made that list of lies yet.

When you have people here saying shit like "all Moz did was support a non-Labour or Tory party" why on earth do you think a list of Morrissey's bullshit will go unchallenged?

I'm not stupid, I know you don't change minds online, but asking for someone to regurgitate what zombies already deliberately misunderstand is pretty intellectually disingenuous.
 
I find it quite strange that Tim Jonze has written a hit piece on Morrissey, yet Tim continues to use Twitter, even though Twitter allows white supremacists to use its platform.

"Twitter is researching whether it should ban white supremacists
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/29/...e-supremacy-research-radicalization-ban-block


Of course, a smart person like myself, knows that it would be silly to assume that everyone that uses Twitter is a white supremacist just because Twitter hasn't banned them. Just like it would be silly to assume that anyone that supports For Britain is a supporter of the far-right. Some things aren't that simple.

I still watch films that Harvey Weinstein was involved with. That doesn't mean that I support what he did. Same goes for Kevin Spacey.

You're a f***ing fruitloop mate lol
 
After 100 of these articles I still don’t understand why it matters what party Morrissey supports, is he a politician? In my understanding a musician should be judged by his music not his worldview. Is it different in Britain? Do you only read books that are written by left wing writers? You don’t listen to Wagner? Do you only call a plumber if he is a socialist?
 
More lies! I made a list on page 1 of this thread. Also, Tim Jonze said that he lied while working at the NME and they issued an apology. Tim has a long history of lying when it comes to Morrissey.
You really didn’t. Look at what you wrote.

Also, where do you stand on Morrissey saying that it was a 14 year old boy’s fault that Kevin Spacey sexually assaulted him?
 

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