Billy Bragg: “Morrissey has broken the hearts of a lot of people” - The Big Issue (26 June, 2019)

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Whole article as brief:

"Not one shy to express his own feelings, Bragg said: “I think he’s decided that he wants to betray everything he ever said in The Smiths and he’s broken the hearts of a lot of people.
The Smiths expressed a lot of peoples own sense of disconnect with society and helped them to find their own identity – and he’s totally trashed that. I’m heartbroken for them because I’m a big Smiths fan too. And I’m heartbroken for Johnny Marr because he’s genuine, a lovely guy, and he doesn’t deserve to have his legacy dragged through the dirt.”

In his most recent comments, Morrissey reaffirmed his support for a far-right political party and said more questionable things about race that are not worth repeating here but easy enough to find online if you really want.

Bragg added: “I have no sympathy for him, no respect for him, but I have a lot of sympathy and respect for his audience.”"


https://www.bigissue.com/latest/billy-bragg-morrissey-has-broken-the-hearts-of-a-lot-of-people/


Further to his recent Oswald comment, Mr. Bragg is cited by The Big Issue for saying more on his view of Morrissey's behaviour.
The Big Issue present things ambiguously, so when Billy actually commented is unclear (possibly end of May), but given his previous comments - I doubt he'd say anything different.

Regards,
FWD.


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Also,bit only does Billy Brag not miss an opportunity to get in the media to Diss Morrissey and always did, but his fans are extremely foul mouthed.
Does my use of colourful language insult your sensibilities, Lily?

Call it freedom of f***ing speech!
 
Oh - a “socialist” isn’t allowed to make a living?

You shitstains toss around political terms, like confetti - without the foggiest idea of their meaning.
Billy Bragg is a very vocal avowed 'socialist' who these days lives in a multi million pound mansion. That is not just 'making a living'. It is adopting a capitalist lifestyle.

He also pontificates about diversity while choosing to live in the whitest and richest part of rural England. He's originally a Londoner but wants no part of its supposed 'vibrant' diversity.

This is hypocrisy. The man is a 100% phoney.
 
Billy Bragg is a very vocal avowed 'socialist' who these days lives in a multi million pound mansion. That is not just 'making a living'. It is adopting a capitalist lifestyle.

He also pontificates about diversity while choosing to live in the whitest and richest part of rural England. He's originally a Londoner but wants no part of its supposed 'vibrant' diversity.

This is hypocrisy. The man is a 100% phoney.
He also gives loads of cash and time to various causes that support the disenfranchised and less-fortunate.

Have you ever had conversation with Billy? I’ve had more than one. He’s a genuine bloke, who’s heart and mind are right where they should be. I don’t begrudge ANYONE their right to free speech. I don’t begrudge the right of ANYONE to make a living, even a decent one. I also don’t begrudge ANYONE the right to spend their hard earned money on creature comforts, especially those who give of their time and money.

Billy Bragg does more for others than the entire lot of you broke, ignorant, pussy-ass wind-bags. He’s earned what he has through years of toil. I’m super happy for him.

You - on the other hand - provide ZERO. ...spouting on about the right to “freedom of speech” whilst, simultaneously, low-brow smack-talking others who exercise theirs.

You’re basic. ...and you’re a f***ing ignorant sack of shit.

Cheers!
 
Does my use of colourful language insult your sensibilities, Lily?

Call it freedom of f***ing speech!
Not at all pussy willow.
It merely reflects the calibre of silly brags fans.
He seems to have a long term problem with morrissey as I've seen clips over the years where he has made 'joking' references to him at gigs. He's also very ready to talk about morrissey at the drop of a hat it smacks of publicity hunger and desperation. Money can't buy class, no matter how big a mansion it buys. Another Dave Hasbeen.
 
Billy Bragg is a very vocal avowed 'socialist' who these days lives in a multi million pound mansion. That is not just 'making a living'. It is adopting a capitalist lifestyle.

He also pontificates about diversity while choosing to live in the whitest and richest part of rural England. He's originally a Londoner but wants no part of its supposed 'vibrant' diversity.

This is hypocrisy. The man is a 100% phoney.
...and you didn’t even make an attempt to answer my question, Shitstain. Do you actually believe that identifying with “Socialism” negates the the right to make a decent living and live where you please? He lives there because it’s rural and he probably doesn’t want f***-tards like you pissing all over his down-time. There’s no conflict of philosophy and - if you had a single shred of cognitive ability to actually learn the very basics of what you fail on, you’d no how utterly ridiculous this shit you post is.


He lives in a nice house that he’s earned. That’s his right. You have the same right. Same as “free speech” for the rest of you broke-ass, unemployable xenophobes.

Your poor, hard-done-by, entitled, pussy-ass is so cuddled up and warm in Fat-Melvis’ asshole that you’ve lost the basic ability to ascertain reality from fiction. ...but yet, here you are, yapping like a little Shitzu, in a world of wolves.

Carry on then, li’l fella.
 
Billy Bragg is a very vocal avowed 'socialist' who these days lives in a multi million pound mansion. That is not just 'making a living'. It is adopting a capitalist lifestyle.

He also pontificates about diversity while choosing to live in the whitest and richest part of rural England. He's originally a Londoner but wants no part of its supposed 'vibrant' diversity.

This is hypocrisy. The man is a 100% phoney.

I think it depends on how strictly the word socialist is being used here.

If he means a form of socialism that expects to government to take care of the people but not expect everyone to be equal then he's not being a hypocrite. This is basically what Bernie Sanders wants as part of his Democratic Socialism platform.

You can get rich and you can have more money than you know what to do with but the government will tax it the more you make and the money will be spent on health care and social services.

I don't know enough about his definition of the word to accuse him or defend him.

He was quoted as saying this someone's book in 2002 but I don't see a date for the actual quote:

Our enemy really isn't capitalism, it's cynicism. That's one the things I learned from Woody (Guthrie)... Not to be cynical... That cynicism... It destroys you, it rots you away from the inside. So that sense of optimism and humanity... which 20 years ago I would have called socialism but now I'll call compassion... You know, that idea is still out there and alive and if you can plug into that and encourage that it makes it all worth while.

I'm not looking to defend Billy Bragg, I just wanted to convey that it is possible to be rich and be a socialist if your version of socialism looks like that of Denmark or Sweden.
 
...and you didn’t even make an attempt to answer my question, Shitstain. Do you actually believe that identifying with “Socialism” negates the the right to make a decent living and live where you please? He lives there because it’s rural and he probably doesn’t want f***-tards like you pissing all over his down-time. There’s no conflict of philosophy and - if you had a single shred of cognitive ability to actually learn the very basics of what you fail on, you’d no how utterly ridiculous this shit you post is.


He lives in a nice house that he’s earned. That’s his right. You have the same right. Same as “free speech” for the rest of you broke-ass, unemployable xenophobes.

Your poor, hard-done-by, entitled, pussy-ass is so cuddled up and warm in Fat-Melvis’ asshole that you’ve lost the basic ability to ascertain reality from fiction. ...but yet, here you are, yapping like a little Shitzu, in a world of wolves.

Carry on then, li’l fella.

I'll address it yet again for you.

Billy Bragg was a socialist, then he amassed lots of capital from the very unfair system he wanted to destroy and kept this money all for himself to live a luxurious lifestyle. He is therefore now a capitalist. A socialist would have distributed his surplus earnings to the people who need it.

Furthermore, like a true member of the capitalist elite, he espouses 'diversity' for the masses, but not for himself. This is presumably because he doesn't enjoy the high levels of crime and danger this 'diversity' brings and prefers to leave it to the plebs to enjoy.

He is therefore what is known as a total and unadulterated hypocrite (i.e. a disgusting human being who has negated all his right to criticize others).
 
I think it depends on how strictly the word socialist is being used here.

If he means a form of socialism that expects to government to take care of the people but not expect everyone to be equal then he's not being a hypocrite. This is basically what Bernie Sanders wants as part of his Democratic Socialism platform.

You can get rich and you can have more money than you know what to do with but the government will tax it the more you make and the money will be spent on health care and social services.

I don't know enough about his definition of the word to accuse him or defend him.

He was quoted as saying this someone's book in 2002 but I don't see a date for the actual quote:

Our enemy really isn't capitalism, it's cynicism. That's one the things I learned from Woody (Guthrie)... Not to be cynical... That cynicism... It destroys you, it rots you away from the inside. So that sense of optimism and humanity... which 20 years ago I would have called socialism but now I'll call compassion... You know, that idea is still out there and alive and if you can plug into that and encourage that it makes it all worth while.

I'm not looking to defend Billy Bragg, I just wanted to convey that it is possible to be rich and be a socialist if your version of socialism looks like that of Denmark or Sweden.
In the 80s when Billy Bragg was at the height of his fame he was not any old socialist but a staunch militant Marxist who wanted to topple the capitalist system.

It doesn't surprise me that later when he became a practicing capitalist he made excuses and toned things down somewhat citing 'cynicism.' It's what hypocrites do.
 
No one cared and no one stills cares, especially in these great United States of America.
Congrats Moz, your fan base is now the safe space of moronic American exceptionalism. Reagan would be proud. So much to answer for.
 
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Whole article as brief:

"Not one shy to express his own feelings, Bragg said: “I think he’s decided that he wants to betray everything he ever said in The Smiths and he’s broken the hearts of a lot of people.
The Smiths expressed a lot of peoples own sense of disconnect with society and helped them to find their own identity – and he’s totally trashed that. I’m heartbroken for them because I’m a big Smiths fan too. And I’m heartbroken for Johnny Marr because he’s genuine, a lovely guy, and he doesn’t deserve to have his legacy dragged through the dirt.”

In his most recent comments, Morrissey reaffirmed his support for a far-right political party and said more questionable things about race that are not worth repeating here but easy enough to find online if you really want.

Bragg added: “I have no sympathy for him, no respect for him, but I have a lot of sympathy and respect for his audience.”"


https://www.bigissue.com/latest/billy-bragg-morrissey-has-broken-the-hearts-of-a-lot-of-people/


Further to his recent Oswald comment, Mr. Bragg is cited by The Big Issue for saying more on his view of Morrissey's behaviour.
The Big Issue present things ambiguously, so when Billy actually commented is unclear (possibly end of May), but given his previous comments - I doubt he'd say anything different.

Regards,
FWD.


Related item:



LOL :handpointright::guardsman::handpointleft: LEGACY????? WTF????? how ignorant can this
BB be? FFS:swear

those 2 HUGE FAT ROLLS DramaJ carries under the flowery shirt are due to
ham sandswiches and pork rolls and SAUSAGE PIZZA POPS bought
with money provided him via Moz songs.:rage:

had it not been for Moz he would never have been signed to "new voodoo records and tapes':lbf:
head office located in his basement with the 'cds' stamped by the Missus.:lbf:
 
Billy is a) a very sensible man, b) a former friend of The Smiths, and c) a true fan. So, to me his opinions are clearly worth listening to. Maybe you should take some time (and even councelling) to discover why he makes you so angry. Anger can be addictive, by the way.
Who mentioned anger?? I’m not angry at all, just adding my twopeneth to the debate. Phycosis is very common these days don’t you agree
 
I'll address it yet again for you.

Billy Bragg was a socialist, then he amassed lots of capital from the very unfair system he wanted to destroy and kept this money all for himself to live a luxurious lifestyle. He is therefore now a capitalist. A socialist would have distributed his surplus earnings to the people who need it.

Furthermore, like a true member of the capitalist elite, he espouses 'diversity' for the masses, but not for himself. This is presumably because he doesn't enjoy the high levels of crime and danger this 'diversity' brings and prefers to leave it to the plebs to enjoy.

He is therefore what is known as a total and unadulterated hypocrite (i.e. a disgusting human being who has negated all his right to criticize others).
You have no f***ing CLUE what the philosophy of “socialism” is about. If you spent half the time you spend licking Morrissey’s anus on self-education in the fields of philosophy and political science, you’d still be an ass. ...but you’d transcend “half-ass”.

f***ing clown.
 
You have no f***ing CLUE what the philosophy of “socialism” is about. If you spent half the time you spend licking Morrissey’s anus on self-education in the fields of philosophy and political science, you’d still be an ass. ...but you’d transcend “half-ass”.

f***ing clown.

:rolleyes:

smoking weed drinking beer and puffing your mouth with pizza pops paid for
by the dole, thats the socialist philosophy briefly stated.:lbf:

hide under a rock if work is required.:straightface:
 
I'll address it yet again for you.

Billy Bragg was a socialist, then he amassed lots of capital from the very unfair system he wanted to destroy and kept this money all for himself to live a luxurious lifestyle. He is therefore now a capitalist. A socialist would have distributed his surplus earnings to the people who need it.

Furthermore, like a true member of the capitalist elite, he espouses 'diversity' for the masses, but not for himself. This is presumably because he doesn't enjoy the high levels of crime and danger this 'diversity' brings and prefers to leave it to the plebs to enjoy.

He is therefore what is known as a total and unadulterated hypocrite (i.e. a disgusting human being who has negated all his right to criticize others).

Still no answer to my question about your understanding of the tenants of “socialism”, other than your complete and utter ignorance of the true meaning of the term. Keep yapping!

You’re total proof that the Smiths legacy is under siege by f***-tardery. ...the likes of which, my generation never thought possible again. Ignorant shit-sacks, talking smack, whilst taking themselves seriously.

You lot are bunch of stuck, ignorant, bubble-dwelling twats. You’ve got each other. ...and you can have Morrissey as well.

Shitty people, giving their lives for basic ignorance and GARBAGE music - in the hopes of “belonging” to something that mommy and daddy couldn’t provide.

I never thought I’d see the day that the singer from The Smiths would become an icon and cradle for base ignorance and cowardice.

...but here’s “reelfountain”. Not a f***ing clue. Loudest of the bunch.

Go f*** yourselves.

Please take Melvis with you on your journey down the rabbit hole, bitches.
 
You have no f***ing CLUE what the philosophy of “socialism” is about. If you spent half the time you spend licking Morrissey’s anus on self-education in the fields of philosophy and political science, you’d still be an ass. ...but you’d transcend “half-ass”.

f***ing clown.

Socialism is the opposite of Billy Bragg.

In fact, that's the perfect definition of the entire history and philosophy of socialism.

The opposite of Billy Bragg - who is, for the tenth time, a capitalist.

If he was such a 'genuine guy' he wouldn't be stooging for the globalist elite and their anti-white diversity agenda. He probably gets backhanders from Soros.
 
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I think I’m finally finished with Morrissey.

I was 16 when I stumbled upon the south bank show, and I’ve been obsessed ever since, bought all the records in all the formats. Saw him in concert 28 times. He meant so much to me. This weeks interview was the end for me. He’s an arsehole.

All you idiots making out it’s everyone else’s fault, it’s not. It’s his own fault. For he is an arsehole.

I’m trying to separate him from the music of the smiths, it’s difficult.

I’d happily say he has written some of the best songs ever written

I’ll happily say that his last album was appalling, that song about the soldiers? Can’t even remember the name, so bad.

This putting out test pressings
They are not test pressings
They are records pressed to sell at an inflated price
The 4 different colours of the last album
Again him taking advantage of you

Stuff like lover to be and I thought you was dead are so throw away, as the b-sides and TBH the albums have been for a long while now.

The covers album is ok, and that’s a very mediocre ok. The Dylan cover is crass in the current climate, I’ve not played it since having a few listens the week it came out.

It’s all very sad. Everyone always said he was an arsehole, and I defended him, I thought I knew him better, I was wrong.

He’s shafted almost everyone he’s ever worked with, he’s not a nice person. Thinking of him now makes me feel sick. I invested so much in him.

He’s becoming pompous hateful and grandiose.

Now all you people on here defending him, attacking anyone who has an opinion on Morrissey, you are enabling him, enabling him to ruin his legacy, I know you are blinded and frothing with hate, but please don’t turn into a clown by defending his bile

We have enough clowns in the world

Interpol will pull out of the forthcoming tour.. the tour will probably be cancelled.. and there is only one person to blame.

A son of immigrants, an immigrant himself, a turncoat a charlatan a liar an arsehole.

As for this weeks “can’t afford to sue” statement, what a load of rubbish. Who does he think he’s kidding with that? He’s expecting me and you to believe that.. you believe it if you want. He can’t sue, because what the independent said was the truth.

I remember when Suedehead came out, the video, the b-sides. It was glorious, he was an enigma a proper idol, beautiful yet awkward and ours

He’s not mine anymore
He is an arsehole and he’s let me down
A national treasure
To a national arsehole

Goodbye Morrissey
 
LOL :handpointright::guardsman::handpointleft: LEGACY????? WTF????? how ignorant can this
BB be? FFS:swear

those 2 HUGE FAT ROLLS DramaJ carries under the flowery shirt are due to
ham sandswiches and pork rolls and SAUSAGE PIZZA POPS bought
with money provided him via Moz songs.:rage:

had it not been for Moz he would never have been signed to "new voodoo records and tapes':lbf:
head office located in his basement with the 'cds' stamped by the Missus.:lbf:

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