Morrissey has a right to his opinion

Theo

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I love all these people who freak out when Morrissey has an opinion. I've attacked Morrissey's opinions many a time, but I never was gonna act like he should be shunned from society or have his music blackballed because of it. Leftists are into that. They can't handle someone who's not in "compliance".
Moz is a man with opinions. Why would anyone expect to like him if they can't tolerate folks who say stuff they don't like?
Moz is a true punk rocker of the old school -- individualism and freedom of thought and who cares who you offend -- before leftists took over punk and made it just another joke.
Of course he'll piss you off half the time or more. But he'll also make you think, because from his brave mouth you'll hear stuff you might not hear anywhere else, which may make you rethink things.

At the end of the day, he's a human being speaking his mind. I'll defend that all the time. What kind of world will we have if folks can't speak what's on their minds?
And thank God he's not afraid to say things that are contrary to what's PC on the BBC, unlike his former bandmate Johnny Marr. Marr was always a conformist. He left The Smiths because Morrissey was never gonna conform with what was trendy in the music biz at any given time, and Marr wanted to be liked by the dedicated followers of fashion.
Of course Marr opposed Brexit and went further and suggested folks who disagreed were evil scum. He said Moz's support of Brexit proved he was right not to wanna have anything to do with him again. Wow. That's how Marr feels about millions of his countrymen? But of course that was Marr's line, and the mainstream media patted that good pet on the head for it, which is what he was after. And is also why Marr has not done anything anyone truly cares about since 1987.

We're all allowed to speak our minds. Anyone who has a problem with a man or a woman speaking their minds should go move to Venezuela and see how life is after the great SOCIALIST HERO Hugo Chavez had his way. (If you're looking to lose weight, that's the place to be, 'cause they have NO FOOD.)

I thought Morrissey went a little far backing this Le Pen gal in France. She seems a bit extreme for my tastes. But I was right there with Morrissey with Nigel Farage. Nigel is a nice fellow anyone could like, and his only crime is he wanted to save his country and actually went out and did so. Who does that!?? Who even thinks it's possible? Nigel did it! God love him.....
 
Of course he has a right to his opinion, but that doesn't let him off the hook. People fail to realise that free speech doesn't mean 'you can say what you want without consequence'. If you say things like "the Chinese are a subspecies", there will be repercussions.

He is allowed to have an opinion. We, in turn, are allowed to dismiss it, attack it, ridicule it, defend it, support it. It's called debate. Think of it like a kind of intellectual quality control. Unfortunately some people seem to think "being Morrissey" means "freedom from criticism".
 
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Of course he has a right to his opinion, but that doesn't let him off the hook. People fail to realise that free speech doesn't mean 'you can say what you want without consequence'. I you say things like "the Chinese are a subspecies", there will be repercussions.

He is allowed to have an opinion. We, in turn, are allowed to dismiss it, attack it, ridicule it, defend it, support it. It's called debate. Think of it like a kind of intellectual quality control. Unfortunately some people seem to think "being Morrissey" means "freedom from criticism".

Well, that discussion ended quickly.
 
I attacked Morrissey for saying the Chinese are a "subspecies" right here in this forum. But he was obviously saying that out of emotion after seeing some PETA images out of China showing barbaric animal abuses. That was a misguided word choice, for sure, but not something to keep hounding him about 10 years later. I'm sure you've all said worse things in the last 10 years (I've seen many of you saying worse things THIS WEEK right in this forum). And PETA does try and whip people up in an emotional manner, something Morrissey is susceptible to.

But his support of Nigel Farage is perfectly and morally rational, andin line with the majority of the people in his country. Those attacking him are the ones who have some explaining to do. Do they hate democracy? Do they not want the UK to be an independent, self-governing nation? Why do they throw every "ist" and "ism" at anyone who simply wants the UK to be a normal, independent, democratic nation?
 
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Of course he has a right to his opinion, but that doesn't let him off the hook. People fail to realise that free speech doesn't mean 'you can say what you want without consequence'. If you say things like "the Chinese are a subspecies", there will be repercussions.

He is allowed to have an opinion. We, in turn, are allowed to dismiss it, attack it, ridicule it, defend it, support it. It's called debate. Think of it like a kind of intellectual quality control. Unfortunately some people seem to think "being Morrissey" means "freedom from criticism".

clumsy?, harmful?, careless?... yes. People can often say things in a heated debate or on a subject that one feels strongly about. And when pulled out of context it does and easily makes the one making the comments look totally wrong for saying what they said. But when taking it into context and with some knowledge of M's views on the subject and the whole not just part of the comment he made, one could see what he meant.

' The outspoken former Smiths frontman, a longtime vegetarian and animal rights advocate, told the Guardian Weekend magazine:

“Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific. You can’t help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies.” '

' The interview was done by poet Simon Armitage, who told the Guardian:

“I thought at the time it was a dangerous thing to say into a tape recorder. He must have known it would make waves, he’s not daft. But he’s provocative and theatrical, and it was one of dozens of dramatic pronouncements. I’m not an apologist for that kind of remark, and couldn’t ignore it. But clearly, when it comes to animal rights and animal welfare, he’s absolutely unshakable in his beliefs. In his view, if you treat an animal badly, you are less than human. I think that was his point.”
'


Harmful? yes. Careless with choice of wording? yes. It's JUST my opinion, but when I read it with the knowledge of how strongly M feels on this subject, and when I read his comment in context of the subject at hand, to me he is clearly talking about the people (that might be Chinese or live in China)who practice such disgusting and barbaric acts of cruelty towards other animals. Besides that, giving a voice to the voiceless, when so little in the media or society does, can at the end of the day, only be a good thing.

What would be interesting to know is what M fans in China feel about that comment, but I guess, regardless where one is from, if you do eat other animals, it may play a large part in not seeing the true (as it does to me) intention of his comment.
 
Living in a highly brainwashed global society we should welcome people who dare to express different opinions, because that means someone is thinking, not only repeating as a parrot mainstream propaganda. Tell me when in the history of the world a new way of thinking in any area was accepted whitout being highly questioned by the statu quo. From Jesus to Mandela those people had to suffer hell on earth.
Shame on people who bullied and insulted Morrissey by his personal and valid opinion about media and Le Pen. You can think differently, but being with the majority doesn't give you the right to crush the minority. Remember life is a permanent evolution and we all could find ourselves in the situation of having to swallow our previous words and insults.
 
Living in a highly brainwashed global society we should welcome people who dare to express different opinions, because that means someone is thinking, not only repeating as a parrot mainstream propaganda. Tell me when in the history of the world a new way of thinking in any area was accepted whitout being highly questioned by the statu quo. From Jesus to Mandela those people had to suffer hell on earth.
Shame on people who bullied and insulted Morrissey by his personal and valid opinion about media and Le Pen. You can think differently, but being with the majority doesn't give you the right to crush the minority. Remember life is a permanent evolution and we all could find ourselves in the situation of having to swallow our previous words and insults.

You really need to get off your high horse and stop being such a hypocrite. It seems you are quite the bully yourself.
 
clumsy?, harmful?, careless?... yes. People can often say things in a heated debate or on a subject that one feels strongly about. And when pulled out of context it does and easily makes the one making the comments look totally wrong for saying what they said. But when taking it into context and with some knowledge of M's views on the subject and the whole not just part of the comment he made, one could see what he meant.

' The outspoken former Smiths frontman, a longtime vegetarian and animal rights advocate, told the Guardian Weekend magazine:

“Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific. You can’t help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies.” '

' The interview was done by poet Simon Armitage, who told the Guardian:

“I thought at the time it was a dangerous thing to say into a tape recorder. He must have known it would make waves, he’s not daft. But he’s provocative and theatrical, and it was one of dozens of dramatic pronouncements. I’m not an apologist for that kind of remark, and couldn’t ignore it. But clearly, when it comes to animal rights and animal welfare, he’s absolutely unshakable in his beliefs. In his view, if you treat an animal badly, you are less than human. I think that was his point.”
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Harmful? yes. Careless with choice of wording? yes. It's JUST my opinion, but when I read it with the knowledge of how strongly M feels on this subject, and when I read his comment in context of the subject at hand, to me he is clearly talking about the people (that might be Chinese or live in China)who practice such disgusting and barbaric acts of cruelty towards other animals. Besides that, giving a voice to the voiceless, when so little in the media or society does, can at the end of the day, only be a good thing.

What would be interesting to know is what M fans in China feel about that comment, but I guess, regardless where one is from, if you do eat other animals, it may play a large part in not seeing the true (as it does to me) intention of his comment.

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Of course he has a right to his opinion, but that doesn't let him off the hook. People fail to realise that free speech doesn't mean 'you can say what you want without consequence'. If you say things like "the Chinese are a subspecies", there will be repercussions.

He is allowed to have an opinion. We, in turn, are allowed to dismiss it, attack it, ridicule it, defend it, support it. It's called debate. Think of it like a kind of intellectual quality control. Unfortunately some people seem to think "being Morrissey" means "freedom from criticism".

you can say what you want without consequence'

You make me laugh. It happens here every day
 
You really need to get off your high horse and stop being such a hypocrite. It seems you are quite the bully yourself.

A bully? I didn't point out a single person, like you are doing with me. That's bullying. I was talking about the social phenomenon of the witch hunt that's happening now in supposedly modern societies where some people attack another people, like Morrissey, who thinks differently and dares to express it. Mainstream media is the new god of our times and nobody can touch it, even with a single opinion. It's the new Delphos oracle ans its words are sacred. Free media is very important, but none institution that can't handle with critics or different opinions is compatible with a democracy. Its hard to see a media company that promotes diferent points of view into the same institution. They are all like soldiers fighting for an army, firing the rebelds who don't follow the oracle. Considering the shares of those companies can be bought with money, it's easy to know where their main interests are oriented to. Not to change the actual state of things.
 
I attacked Morrissey for saying the Chinese are a "subspecies" right here in this forum. But he was obviously saying that out of emotion after seeing some PETA images out of China showing barbaric animal abuses. That was a misguided word choice, for sure, but not something to keep hounding him about 10 years later. I'm sure you've all said worse things in the last 10 years (I've seen many of you saying worse things THIS WEEK right in this forum). And PETA does try and whip people up in an emotional manner, something Morrissey is susceptible to.

But his support of Nigel Farage is perfectly and morally rational, andin line with the majority of the people in his country. Those attacking him are the ones who have some explaining to do. Do they hate democracy? Do they not want the UK to be an independent, self-governing nation? Why do they throw every "ist" and "ism" at anyone who simply wants the UK to be a normal, independent, democratic nation?

Muslims can dis Democracy and its A OK, Leftist have no sense of contradiction.:oops:
They are envious of people who work hard. Look at all the jobless here telling Moz, who has worked
hard to make his millions, how to think and conduct himself. Nutso. Whacko.:crazy:
Its like some broke homeless dude giving you financial advice. Meanwhile they spend their time on a Moz
forum instead of working to help the masses they so claim to love. Living large off someone is what they are about. Word up.
 
Its like some broke homeless dude giving you financial advice. Meanwhile they spend their time on a Moz
forum instead of working to help the masses they so claim to love. Living large off someone is what they are about. Word up.

It is true. However, Morrissey, a popstar who claimed on many occassion he doesn't care what people think of him and his controversial quotes, spent time having T shirts printed "f*** Morrissey-solo", sorted out banning David Tseng, and clearly got informed what is going on here. So who is more pathetic? Having all worked up on internet forum whackos?
 
It is true. However, Morrissey, a popstar who claimed on many occassion he doesn't care what people think of him and his controversial quotes, spent time having T shirts printed "f*** Morrissey-solo", sorted out banning David Tseng, and clearly got informed what is going on here. So who is more pathetic? Having all worked up on internet forum whackos?

From the looks of things, you cant seem to dance and drink beer at the same time.:straightface:
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Those Moz Tshirts are also controversial quotes. Dont know what controversial quotes on Tshirts have to do with Moz being told about the finks posting here.:thumb:
 
Of course he has a right to his opinion, but that doesn't let him off the hook. People fail to realise that free speech doesn't mean 'you can say what you want without consequence'. If you say things like "the Chinese are a subspecies", there will be repercussions.

He is allowed to have an opinion. We, in turn, are allowed to dismiss it, attack it, ridicule it, defend it, support it. It's called debate. Think of it like a kind of intellectual quality control. Unfortunately some people seem to think "being Morrissey" means "freedom from criticism".

I understand what you're saying, but what repercussions do you speak of? You are not really allowed to "attack it" if it is well supported, which with Morrissey, it usually is and if you decide to anyway, well, then you're just being a baby. Morrissey is not free from criticism, but you better be damn sure YOUR shit is together before you even think about attempting it because I guarantee to you this, you probably aren't worthy. And if you think you are, please list YOUR credentials. I stand behind the subspecies comment as EVERYONE is a subspecies who treats animals badly, including the Chinese, whom have a particularly awful track record.

I attacked Morrissey for saying the Chinese are a "subspecies" right here in this forum. But he was obviously saying that out of emotion after seeing some PETA images out of China showing barbaric animal abuses. That was a misguided word choice, for sure, but not something to keep hounding him about 10 years later. I'm sure you've all said worse things in the last 10 years (I've seen many of you saying worse things THIS WEEK right in this forum). And PETA does try and whip people up in an emotional manner, something Morrissey is susceptible to.

But his support of Nigel Farage is perfectly and morally rational, andin line with the majority of the people in his country. Those attacking him are the ones who have some explaining to do. Do they hate democracy? Do they not want the UK to be an independent, self-governing nation? Why do they throw every "ist" and "ism" at anyone who simply wants the UK to be a normal, independent, democratic nation?

Not misguided at all. Who are you, the judge and jury? M got his point across, which was what he was trying to do, Theo.
 
For all her feminism Winnie Wong dated a married businessman back in the day when she was constantly in the chatroom chatting with me posting very flirty pictures for all to see.

Did the fact she never got a man that was exclusively hers mean she became a bitter feminist snowflake?
 
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