Morrissey included in list of "anti-vaxxers" in today's LA Times Article (update: now removed)

Morrissey is included in a list of "anti-vaxxers" in today's LA Times Article about a different singer than I've never heard of.

Has Morrissey said anything specifically about vaccines?

https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...08-10/joseph-arthur-vaccine-anti-vaxxer-covid
or here:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/celebrated-singer-songwriter-famous-fans-120045435.html

The article reads, "By going public with his anti-vaccination position, Arthur has aligned himself with a small group of like-minded musicians, including Eric Clapton, Morrissey, M.I.A. and Van Morrison."

Where are Morrissey's comments about the vaccine?


Update:
The article has subsequently been edited to read:

" For the record:

3:46 p.m. Aug. 11, 2021
An earlier version of this article included Morrissey in a list of musicians who have gone public on anti-vaccination views. Although Morrissey has made negative statements about the pandemic, he hasn’t actually come out against the vaccine."
 
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I’m sorry maybe I read this wrong, please point it out to me if I missed it, but I found nothing giving proof that there would or would not be
the possibility of long term negative effects regarding the use
of the Covid mRNA vaccine .

“6. Brave human volunteers​

To gain regulatory approval, a vaccine has to be tested for safety and efficacy in healthy volunteers after being shown safe in animals. Fortunately, hundreds of thousands of people the world over agreed to take the vaccine candidates. Some got a placebo, so that real-life comparisons could be made. After analyzing the massive and detailed data from these volunteers, regulatory agencies gave their nod to the two mRNA vaccines. Importantly, those trial volunteers continue to be monitored for any long-term issues, and to find out how long the COVID-19 immunity lasts. “ :(
It’s my understanding that the usual testing standards were bypassed for the development of this vaccine. We’re left, then, to argue about what constitutes ‘safe’ in terms of its roll-out—but the term now seems to simply mean ‘the ostensibly least risky option’.
 
I understand. But COVID isn’t like most other diseases. It doesn’t give a crap about if you are healthy or not.
Or does it? I’m still alive and never been healthier. And no one talks about those that never caught the virus and why they didn’t, and those that did catch it but recovered quickly, of course that doesn’t sell news. I know two that had it, recovered quickly and are fine.

As I said, both choices seem to be a chance one takes. I’m not against people getting the vaccine.


It doesn’t discriminate. And also, by getting vaccinated you’re not only protecting yourself but others too. But yeah, I guess this is what you’re conflicted about.

People that have received the vaccine are being rewarded by being told that they don’t need to wear masks, and because of this, they are the ones also that are continuing to spread the virus. So I don’t think the health of others is really a concern to the ‘right’ side.
 
Yes, I know.

Reward and punishment.

Is that a good enough reason to risk one’s health if not life. No one knows if there will or willl not be long term negative consequences due to having received this vaccine.
This seems to imply that not getting vaccinated does not cause risk to one's life.

The chance of dying this month is known and real and happening all over red states for the unvaccinated.
The chance of having long term effects of getting the vaccine is completely unknown but if you are dead this month you will never find out how it all turned out.
 
This seems to imply that not getting vaccinated does not cause risk to one's life.

The chance of dying this month is known and real and happening all over red states for the unvaccinated.
The chance of having long term effects of getting the vaccine is completely unknown but if you are dead this month you will never find out how it all turned out.
Let’s all just remind ourselves that the death risk from Covid, amongst those who contract it, is around 0.3%. The ‘more deadly’ variants are deemed more deadly because they are more transmissible, not more harmful per se.
 
Or does it? I’m still alive and never been healthier. And no one talks about those that never caught the virus and why they didn’t, and those that did catch it but recovered quickly, of course that doesn’t sell news. I know two that had it, recovered quickly and are fine.

As I said, both choices seem to be a chance one takes. I’m not against people getting the vaccine.




People that have received the vaccine are being rewarded by being told that they don’t need to wear masks, and because of this, they are the ones also that are continuing to spread the virus. So I don’t think the health of others is really a concern to the ‘right’ side.
I had it this past April, and recovered quickly and hardly even had a fever and I’ve been fine since, but lots of other people my age (mid 30s) have gotten quite sick. I don’t know why I was “spared”. Is it because I don’t eat animals or the fact that I work out on a regular basis? I doubt it, but I’m far from sure, of course.

Masks are tricky. The CDC says that “to maximize protection from the Delta variant and prevent possibly spreading it to others, wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission.” Makes sense, I guess.
 
Or does it? I’m still alive and never been healthier. And no one talks about those that never caught the virus and why they didn’t, and those that did catch it but recovered quickly, of course that doesn’t sell news. I know two that had it, recovered quickly and are fine.

As I said, both choices seem to be a chance one takes. I’m not against people getting the vaccine.




People that have received the vaccine are being rewarded by being told that they don’t need to wear masks, and because of this, they are the ones also that are continuing to spread the virus. So I don’t think the health of others is really a concern to the ‘right’ side.

I would not take the chance of going unvaccinated into a Las Vegas casino. But I love life and want to have fun into my 80s!
 
Or does it? I’m still alive and never been healthier. And no one talks about those that never caught the virus and why they didn’t, and those that did catch it but recovered quickly, of course that doesn’t sell news. I know two that had it, recovered quickly and are fine.

As I said, both choices seem to be a chance one takes. I’m not against people getting the vaccine.




People that have received the vaccine are being rewarded by being told that they don’t need to wear masks, and because of this, they are the ones also that are continuing to spread the virus. So I don’t think the health of others is really a concern to the ‘right’ side.
I think it’s curious that this event has morphed into an ideological war. It seems no one actually gives two shits about the health of others: each side seeming perfectly happy to go to war for the thrill of being declared the winner.

The illness itself is a distant memory.
 
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Thanks for continuously proving my point! Be safe and have fun with your QAnon friends.
Hahaha, this complete ignorance and thinking people believe Qanon. Just take the vax and hope you're allright. The truth will come in the end. But to maybe too late for you.
 
Hahaha, this complete ignorance and thinking people believe Qanon. Just take the vax and hope you're allright. The truth will come in the end. But to maybe too late for you.
Sure!
 
Let’s all just remind ourselves that the death risk from Covid, amongst those who contract it, is around 0.3%. The ‘more deadly’ variants are deemed more deadly because they are more transmissible, not more harmful per se.
I do not care about statistics when headlines say things like "Texas hospital system is prepping tents to deal with rapid surge in Covid-19 patients"

That is not something that has ever happened in the lifetime of anyone on this board. The numbers don't matter. The story matters. A guy posted on tik tok that his wife who has cancer had to leave the hospital early to free up a bed for a covid patient and the hospital is full of unvaccinated people.

How do you explain hospitals being over capacity, people walking off the job, people begging for vaccines right before intubation and death rates as high as they have ever been and it's only summer?
 
Can these vaccine companies really be successfully sued if say a year or more down the line, people start coming down with serious health issues due to having once received their vaccine? Doesn’t their money protect them.

I don’t know, but isn’t that why FDA
hasn’t approved it, because they don’t have proof that it won’t have negative long term effects due to no long term human trials ?

Maybe that’s not there reason for non approval by the FDA on the surface, but there could be concern by the FDA in regards to being blamed if there are indeed negative outcomes due to having received the vaccine.
They don't need to be sued to lose money. If they are killing people they will see their stock lose billions of dollars in value.. much of which is owned by their CEO, the rest of the C suite and the board of directors.

FDA can't just approve something because they want to. The FDA has guidelines is must follow to give an official approval and I believe there are time windows that must be reached before they can green light something as officially approved for general use. What they can legally do is green light something for emergency use.

I think what I read was that they cannot officially approve it until January.
 
This seems to imply that not getting vaccinated does not cause risk to one's life.


Yes. Both choices are a risk.

People that have been fully vaccinated have still died from the new strain.


“Of those who were fully vaccinated who caught the Delta variant, 50 died, data from Public Health England that was published on Friday indicated.”




“In the United Kingdom, at least 259 people have died after contracting the delta variant of COVID-19. Of these, 116 people were fully vaccinated”




The chance of dying this month is known and real and happening all over red states for the unvaccinated.

The vaccinated should really wear their masks. Not saying this is the only reason for the continuing spread of the virus.

The chance of having long term effects of getting the vaccine is completely unknown
It’s a chance.
but if you are dead this month you will never find out how it all turned out.
It’s a chance.

I’m glad you got the vaccine and have such beliefs in it, it’s not such an easy choice for everyone to make.
 
They don't need to be sued to lose money. If they are killing people they will see their stock lose billions of dollars in value.. much of which is owned by their CEO, the rest of the C suite and the board of directors.
Even if there are problems of negative health or death in years to come?
FDA can't just approve something because they want to. The FDA has guidelines is must follow to give an official approval and I believe there are time windows that must be reached before they can green light something as officially approved for general use. What they can legally do is green light something for emergency use.

I think what I read was that they cannot officially approve it until January.

Yeah, I know. But no one one wants the finger of blame pointed at them also.
 
I had it this past April, and recovered quickly and hardly even had a fever and I’ve been fine since, but lots of other people my age (mid 30s) have gotten quite sick. I don’t know why I was “spared”. Is it because I don’t eat animals or the fact that I work out on a regular basis? I doubt it, but I’m far from sure, of course.



“A study of 2,000 front-line workers in six countries has revealed that diet may be a key factor in determining the severity of a COVID-19 infection. Results showed that people who ate plant-based diets were less likely to fall seriously ill.”




Masks are tricky. The CDC says that “to maximize protection from the Delta variant and prevent possibly spreading it to others, wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission.” Makes sense, I guess.

Yes, and I don’t know why the vaccinated are being told that they don’t need to wear a mask. Or is that a little reward for obeying. It’s madness.
 
I do not care about statistics when headlines say things like "Texas hospital system is prepping tents to deal with rapid surge in Covid-19 patients"

That is not something that has ever happened in the lifetime of anyone on this board. The numbers don't matter. The story matters. A guy posted on tik tok that his wife who has cancer had to leave the hospital early to free up a bed for a covid patient and the hospital is full of unvaccinated people.

How do you explain hospitals being over capacity, people walking off the job, people begging for vaccines right before intubation and death rates as high as they have ever been and it's only summer?
How do you explain the most vulnerable in the UK being wilfully and needlessly exposed to the Covid virus, whilst those unlikely to suffer ill effects were denied their right to earn money, and pay their rent?
 
I had it this past April, and recovered quickly and hardly even had a fever and I’ve been fine since, but lots of other people my age (mid 30s) have gotten quite sick. I don’t know why I was “spared”. Is it because I don’t eat animals or the fact that I work out on a regular basis? I doubt it, but I’m far from sure, of course.

Masks are tricky. The CDC says that “to maximize protection from the Delta variant and prevent possibly spreading it to others, wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission.” Makes sense, I guess.

WOW you got bit by the convid kungflu and became stoic over the effects:straightface:
incredible do you attend robocop gym? you are likely to get bit there:bee:
did you need smelling salts when you got jabbed?:hammer:
 

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