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Pardon MY French, but am I the only one that feels like the lead singer of Echo & the Bunnymen (I forgot his name already) has instantly slipped in regards after these comments. There is such a thing as aging gracefully and accepting defeat with dignity. Echo & the Bunnymen never crafted songs as the Smiths did and if there was ever a line drawn, we all knew which side the majority of the crowd stood on. It's sad really to read the comments of a has-been who should thank his lucky stars for Smiths fans with extra record spending money (who probably made up for most of his lackluster sales anyway.) If he kept his mouth shut, fans may have remembered him with fonder memories. Now he just seems like a bitter, old prune.
Michael <[email protected]> (spider-wi034.proxy.aol.com)
Orange County, Ca - Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 12:25:38 (PDT)
Like who HASN'Tmispronounced a word in their lives? Shall we now render Morrissey a stupid pseudo-intellectual, as Mr McCulloch would seem to suggest?
Swallow On His Neck
(spider-tm061.proxy.aol.com)
- Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 12:33:02 (PDT)
Apparently trocard is french slang for loser. I guess
it says more abot McCulloch than Morrissey....
steven banks
(tntbjn20-228.abo.wanadoo.fr)
- Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 13:39:51 (PDT)
I know it's been said in alot of topics before and I think I'll mention that little word again. I'm speaking of "JEALOUSY" of course.
ruffian <[email protected]> (client-151-201-27-84.brads.net)
midland PA - Fri, Apr 23, 1999 at 22:18:54 (PDT)
you know that guy didnīt only talked badly about morrissey but also about us. he said that thereīs something about the singer that people with no personality could identify themselves with.
someone should spit that guy in the face. i mean, what is more beautiful than music that is really honest and unafraid. i personally think that one of the reasons why most music is so unpersonal and open is because i guess the musicians are so afraid. what is so provocative about singing about your life without hiding it behind something?
Jakob <[email protected]> (d3o28.telia.com)
- Sat, Apr 24, 1999 at 13:39:45 (PDT)
What a terribly silly person (what was his name?). Heīs got it all backwards. He is either deliberatly stupid or actually stupid. In either case it shows that heīs stupid, since itīs quite dumb to be deliberatly stupid as well as actually being so.
Well... Never mind.
Gustaf <[email protected]> (du113-253.ppp.algonet.se)
Sweden - Sun, Apr 25, 1999 at 16:25:15 (PDT)
good ol'e gustaf...always the voice of reason..
josephine sidewinder
(98ad4e86.ipt.aol.com)
- Sun, Apr 25, 1999 at 16:42:04 (PDT)
OOhhh you guys! quit your complainin. Can't you appreciate someone else's opinion. Not everyone is going to love Morrissey..Think about how boring the world would be if everyone did! personally, it's refreshing to hear another view on Moz other than all the kiss-ass comments. Now don't get me wrong, I love Moz too, but if everyone loved him, I'd probably be into the spice girls by now...
-leelo
[email protected]
(diversion.com)
- Sun, Apr 25, 1999 at 18:42:25 (PDT)
I have that original No. 1 mag. They both look cute on the cover, but we all know who's the beautiful singer/songwriter (and it aint Ian.)
giddee-up
(p2n207167113148.inetworld.net)
- Mon, Apr 26, 1999 at 00:07:29 (PDT)
Despite his obvious faults and his flicking of lit cigarettes on audience members at gigs, Mac is dead sexy on stage.
Rosencrantz31
(bb251.spss.com)
233 S. Wacker - Mon, Apr 26, 1999 at 06:59:54 (PDT)
aw, it is too sad but i just feel ian mc..is dead somehow. i've been a big e&b fan since forever but to say something so bitchy about moz....well really!!! someone has to take a stand...and it may as well be me. alas poor ian, i knew him when....(he was erm an idol).
ciao julie
julie
(bridge.q-net.net.au)
oz - Mon, Apr 26, 1999 at 07:35:50 (PDT)
I think I can sing along to two Echo and the Bunnymen songs because the music they constantly play says nothing to me about life. Hang the blessed Echo!
jeremy <[email protected]> (gwstudent.suu.edu)
- Mon, Apr 26, 1999 at 08:53:48 (PDT)
ah the chasm between Mac's ego and reality is quite large! of course he's said much worse things about the Smiths at least here he finally admits to liking them! before he had stated that the bunnymen were THE best group of the 80's and that it certainly wasn't the Smiths because their songs were just "4 chords and some complete bastard moaning over the top!" and this is AFTER he'd worked with Johnny Marr on the infamous stolen record they did together. it was ironic too that he didn't get back together with Johnny to rerecord the record because Electrafixion had formed and then came the return of the bunnymen because almost everyone agreed that the best songs on that Electrafixion album were the ones that were coopted from the Marr/McCulloch pairing! more over when Mac had that hit with the official england football song for '98 that was cowritten by Marr too! and he then has the nerve to slag the Smiths again and again simply because he is petty and jealous and stupid! that being said the Bunnymen despite McCulloch's substandard lyrics turned out some great records and put on a great show when i saw them in Dublin in '98, but i agreed whole heartedly with one fan who after hearing McCulloch's unintelligble banter for too long yelled "shut the @#!!! up and play the old songs!" which they then did and it was good. Not Smiths/Mozzer good but good.
eric reidar <[email protected]> (ktn-ts1-p06.ktn.net)
NNWUS - Mon, Apr 26, 1999 at 22:06:40 (PDT)
i don't usually comments on things like this, but this time i have to!! i was around during the time that mac and moz were at each other's throats in the 80s. i also have that magazine...somewhere in my house!! mac was pretty nasty and he's always been nasty about things. mac & moz just had contradicting opinions. they both thought they had the best group in the world. i whole heartedly agreed with moz. i was and am thee biggest smiths fan that walked my city streets. i followed mozzer during his solo career. i follwed him up until "your arsenal." that was a great record, but after that he went downhill. i think the biggest mistake he did was can craig, andy, mike and stephen. "viva hate" was glorious..."Last of the famous...", "interesting drug", and "November Spawned..." were beyond glory... the back up
band left, stephe street left and "kill uncle" appeared. Oh! the pain! there were some great tracks on there, but..."found, found, found," "sing your life," and "tony the pony" keep coming to mind. "Your arsenal" and the album singles &
some prior were cool, but not great...this was the
beginning of the downfall. the last good single moz put out was "now my heart if full". "vauxhall
& I" was horrible. a completely dull LP. I wanted
mac's solo stuff to fail so bad and to an extent
it did! "Proud to Fall" was a killer track though.
I was angry to admit it. "evergreen" was an amazing LP. it blew anything that moz has done from the mid-90s and on, I'm sorry to say. mac has
some good points...the truth does hurt. if moz hadn't been so damn greedy maybe he's still have some good writing partners and a very decent backing band!! now he has those silly, neo-rockabillies backing him up! the new echo record is magical. i've heard it and i'm sad to say but mac's music and lyrics of late really do pass mozzer's music and lyrics of late...:( i really hate to admit that... if moz had an enemy, he was my enemy when i was a kid. if paul weller had an enemy, he was my enemy too. it worked the same. i'm glad that roddy frame didn't take johnny marr's spot after he split because then aztec camera's "stray" would never have occured... moz
you were my hero in my early years, but as of late
you really have dissapointed me... mac does say many truths and i'm sorry. i know a whole bunch of you are going to comment that i'm a loser, @#!!!, etc. but like julie said...it's nice to hear someone else's comments about moz and not just the usual kiss-ass one's about how great he is and stuff. i should know better than anyone else...i followed moz from "hand in glove" to the present(relatively speaking). i should know! i saw
the smiths when they hit la in 85/86. those magical universal shows, irvine meadows, the palladium...ahhh!! the fond memories... take care all...
george o.
(scce13906.csudh.edu)
- Tue, Apr 27, 1999 at 19:11:41 (PDT)
Hmm most people would disagree with you there, Your Arsenal was great but Vauxhall was even better and then it went downhill from there, and also your liking of latter Aztec Camera and Bunnymen who's best work is their early stuff, but each to their own. Anyway as for McCulloch and Ego And The Backing Band well this is hardly a surprise, he's always slagging off other artists, the one he really hates though is U2 so at least he shown a bit of taste there, kind of ironic cos he sings a bit like Bono. If any of you bought the Uncut magazine with Electronic, (you should have just read it in the shop anyway cos it was highly misleading, no secret history of The Smiths at all!) the real revelation was that Marr actually co-wrote Nothing Lasts Forever - The Bunnymen's brilliant comeback single and one of their best ever but was uncredited so he could well be back on top form, I'm not sure whether to get the new Electronic, it's had mixed reviews but it's very Smiths-y apparently.
P.S You were right about Galaxie 500, although they don't sound anything like The Smiths you could say there is an element of that to their drone rock sound - NME said they bridged the gap between Spaceman 3 and The Smiths.
John <[email protected]> (spider-wl082.proxy.aol.com)
Nr Glasgow, Scotland - Wed, Apr 28, 1999 at 05:41:17 (PDT)
actually...aztec camera/roddy frame remained a great artist throughout the whole of his career. even as a solo artist...he's managed to remain great!! i was just saying that echo's latest releases REALLY overpower moz's releases from about
'94-present. i really hate to admit that, but i'm mature enough to...
about roddy frame, the only release that wasn't very good was "love"--his most commercial...
mac's got some very good points and i did read johnny's interview in "uncut." it didn't really reveal anything new, except that moz was really tyrannical about things. johnny said he had to lie about buying stuff and listning to stuff because moz wouldn't "approve" of it. i can respect moz being competitive, but that's ridiculous!! no wonder johnny got sick of him! if things would have ended up nicer, maybe we'd have a moz/marr reunion, but johnny doesn't want anything to do with it. i wonder why?
no one can really deny that moz screwed up when he dumped craig, andy, mike, and stephen street. that was his best line-up!! it could have been the smiths part 2. craig is a great guitar player(he's
playing w/ Roddy Frame again) and he was perfectly capable of carrying Johnny's torch, but Moz got greedy again... oh, well he never learned!! craig, stephen, mike, and andy could run miles around those neo-rockabilly clowns he now has backing him up! boz boorer! the polecats! HA! real rockabilly is in the form of charlie feathers(rip). "make a circuit with me" HA! anyways, i'm going off the subject...my apologies.
mac has some very good points and we should as mature adults(well, i don't know the average age on this website, but i assume we are all adults) respect that...
george o
(scce13919.csudh.edu)
- Wed, Apr 28, 1999 at 16:59:17 (PDT)
I was never into the electronic-music gibberish, so I wouldn't get any Electronic releases...sorry Johnny Marr.
george o
(scce13919.csudh.edu)
- Wed, Apr 28, 1999 at 17:01:26 (PDT)
i'm sorry it wasn't julie, it was leelo who i meant. sorry about that!
george o.
(scce13925.csudh.edu)
- Wed, Apr 28, 1999 at 19:17:57 (PDT)
Hats off to George O. Moz should have never dumped Stephen Street. George, it seems like several others and you are the only ones who are brave enough not to defend Moz.
dmfan
(proxy-324.public.rwc.webtv.net)
- Fri, Apr 30, 1999 at 17:45:21 (PDT)
Man, there are people out there that are just so quick to hate Morrissey or put him down. Whew! Really, one person has an opinion and another person has one that is completely different. So who is right? Well, whoever is true to their belief is right, but I just don't see the point of giving an opinion that makes others feel like crap. That type of person is the same type of person who would wave a piece of beef under a vegetarian's nose like Ian would do. Seems pretty crappy to me. I guess that old saying holds true, "Opinions are like a$$holes, etc....", under this discussion topic at least.
Jeffrey <[email protected]> (spider-tm053.proxy.aol.com)
crusade - Sun, May 02, 1999 at 23:25:37 (PDT)
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