Russell Brand

[goinghome]

There's no reason to think Morrissey would comment on Brand's situation...

Shhh Malarkey! He's still ill!

Btw, does Russell fit into the folk devil category from your blog?

"A folk devil is the personification of evil. They’re engaged in wrongdoing. An instantly recognisable unambiguously negative symbol with no favourable characteristics. A threat to society. Their sins must be litanised. Good people must identify, denounce and drive them out of public life. The moral boundaries must exclude them. They’re toxic. They taint.

To get rid of the folk devil – there is a moral panic. This always involves atrocity tales – false stories endlessly repeated that sum up their badness and cause outrage. It sometimes involves a subversion myth – a story that explains the way in which a member of a social circle has turned out to be wicked, and has rained evil upon the righteous.

Stanley Cohen’s model for moral panics goes roughly like this:

1. Labeling – a threat to the social fabric is detected, labeled & magnified by gossip/media/social media etc.

2. Exaggeration – the narrative is amplified, distorted, fabricated & escalates into a moral panic.

3. Symbolisation – short-hands are used to sum up the threat, often visual.

4. Prediction – future evil deeds are expected & confirmation bias, intense scrutiny & myths tends to supply them until the panic is over."

All from your meticulous illuminating research at https://folk-devil.com/home/

 

[gashonthenail]

A teenager is broad term though - it's anyone between 13-19. It's not a legal or recognised definition of whether someone is an adult or a child, either. So, if you think it's ok, and definitely not creepy to be attracted to 16 year old, barely legal children, because they're teenagers, do you also think it's ok to be attracted to 13 year olds? They are teenagers after all.

The legal definition only bothers you because you face persecution and possible prosecution for being attracted to minors (i.e. children 16-17), doesn't it?

Again, most normal people within the UK would think you a creep and label you a nonce, groomer and predator if you, an adult man, were in a relationship with a 16 year old. The fact that you're ok with being a minor attracted person (MAP), even being seemingly proud of it, shows us all how much of a creep you are.

Stay away from children, you little pest. Look at your little definitions of a child being someone who has begun puberty (earlier you said it was someone who had ended puberty), meaning that you consider a 10-12 year old an adult. Are they therefore fair game to you?

Anon? More like aNONCE.

School ground bully again. Your obsession with the definition of a child is just creepy. I wouldn't let you near a child. You want Brand and people like Brand to 'burn' (your word) because maybe that will make you feel better inside. It won't.

 

[WhalleyRange]

It could be politically motivated but that doesn't mean he's innocent.
He doesn't strike me as that much of a threat to the powerful.
Why would the Times a conservative rag owned by Murdoch want to destroy him?

 

[Me again]

It could be politically motivated but that doesn't mean he's innocent.
He doesn't strike me as that much of a threat to the powerful.
Why would the Times a conservative rag owned by Murdoch want to destroy him?

This is way too complicated for his defenders to process.

 

[gashonthenail]

It could be politically motivated but that doesn't mean he's innocent.
He doesn't strike me as that much of a threat to the powerful.
Why would the Times a conservative rag owned by Murdoch want to destroy him?

Agreed, doesn't mean he's innocent.
Anyone though who encourages people to question what they are told is potentially a threat.
That's why Morrissey is a threat.

 

[Me again]

Brand was totally up-front, transparent; actually warning people, you could argue.

"Yeah I raped them, Your Honour, but it's me! Mr Rapey Wapey off the tellee! What did they expect?"

Can't see that flying to be honest.

 

[goinghome]

Rape is in no way good, and its a disease like p*rn. I feel sorry for the young people of today, I count people under 4o as young.

Gentle and kind

But also putting the issue in larger context. It appears Russell Brand is not that much of an anomaly, and at least was generally mannerly and affectionate. Whereas,

5. Sex Is Bad or Painful More Often Than We Realize

Another reason the rate of sex may be decreasing is that, more often than we realize, the sex that young adults are having is bad sex or painful sex. They are also more willing to say “no thanks” to having any more of it.

Young adults are experiencing more of the kinds of sex that is popularized in porn, such as anal sex and choking (erotic asphyxiation). Julian points to a study showing that the percent of women in their late 20s who had tried anal sex had doubled from 20 percent in 1992 to 40 percent in 2012. Research shows, she says, that “in the absence of high-quality sex education, teen boys look to porn for help understanding sex.”

Plenty of women are not enjoying anal sex or vaginal intercourse. In 2012, Julian notes, 30 percent of women experienced pain during vaginal intercourse and a whopping 72 percent said that the anal sex they experienced was painful.

Orgasms in the context of hookups with a new partner are strikingly rare. In the study Julian described, just 31 percent of men and a jaw-droppingly low 11 percent of women experienced orgasm under those conditions.

One of the sex researchers Julian interviewed, Debby Herbenick, suggests a positive interpretation of the decline in the frequency with which young people are having sex. Today’s adults feel freer to say no to sex they don’t want.

Julian also believes that women are now valuing their female friends more. She seems to attribute that to their disappointment with men and romantic relationships. (I think that interpretation, on its own, is demeaning. My reading of the relevant information is that appreciation for our friends is growing, even apart from any bad experiences with heterosexual romantic relationships.)

7 Reasons Why Young People Are Having Less Sex

The Atlantic offers 6 reasons for “the sex recession." I add one more.

www.psychologytoday.com

Please be fair. You must tell the kids they live in hell now?

 

[Anonymous]

A teenager is broad term though - it's anyone between 13-19. It's not a legal or recognised definition of whether someone is an adult or a child, either. So, if you think it's ok, and definitely not creepy to be attracted to 16 year old, barely legal children, because they're teenagers, do you also think it's ok to be attracted to 13 year olds? They are teenagers after all.

Sexual attraction is not a question of whether it's "okay", you feeble-brained twat, and this betrays your whole mindset, and is the essence of virtue
signalling - a preoccupation with what it's "okay" and "not okay" to admit to. Sexual attraction is involuntary, and adult sexual attraction to teenagers (of any age) is both involuntary and, as can clearly be deduced from the evidence of history, wholly natural, something I have no doubt you're well aware of from your own personal experience, despite your virtue (as you see it) signalling protests to the contrary.

As for this:

"Look at your little definitions of a child being someone who has begun puberty (earlier you said it was someone who had ended puberty), meaning that you consider a 10-12 year old an adult"

well, I appreciate you get easily confused, but what I was stating is really quite simple. However, I'll try to say it even more simply, for your benefit.

There are adults.
There are children.
In between those age groups, are adolescents.
Adolescents go through puberty.

At no stage did I suggest or state that a child is someone who has begun puberty or, bizarrely, that it would follow from this that a 10-12 year old is an adult. But your limited comprehension skills and irrational thought processes are, thankfully, not my problem, they're yours.

And as for this:

"Again, most normal people within the UK would think you a creep and label you a nonce, groomer and predator if you, an adult man, were in a relationship with a 16 year old."

Most people, including you, could think what they liked. As long I wasn't breaking the law, (which I wouldn't be, if I was in Scotland or Northern Ireland), what most people think wouldn't bother me at all. Clearly, you are extremely preoccupied by what most people would think of you. Again, the hallmark psychology of an immature and shallow virtue signaller. How ironic that you find yourself posting on a Morrissey fan website.

 

[Malarkey]

Shhh Malarkey! He's still ill!

Btw, does Russell fit into the folk devil category from your blog?

"A folk devil is the personification of evil. They’re engaged in wrongdoing. An instantly recognisable unambiguously negative symbol with no favourable characteristics. A threat to society. Their sins must be litanised. Good people must identify, denounce and drive them out of public life. The moral boundaries must exclude them. They’re toxic. They taint.

To get rid of the folk devil – there is a moral panic. This always involves atrocity tales – false stories endlessly repeated that sum up their badness and cause outrage. It sometimes involves a subversion myth – a story that explains the way in which a member of a social circle has turned out to be wicked, and has rained evil upon the righteous.

Stanley Cohen’s model for moral panics goes roughly like this:

1. Labeling – a threat to the social fabric is detected, labeled & magnified by gossip/media/social media etc.

2. Exaggeration – the narrative is amplified, distorted, fabricated & escalates into a moral panic.

3. Symbolisation – short-hands are used to sum up the threat, often visual.

4. Prediction – future evil deeds are expected & confirmation bias, intense scrutiny & myths tends to supply them until the panic is over."

All from your meticulous illuminating research at https://folk-devil.com/home/

Well - not yet.

So far it's a sensational news story that might have a basis in fact.

 

[Malarkey]

Agreed, doesn't mean he's innocent.
Anyone though who encourages people to question what they are told is potentially a threat.
That's why Morrissey is a threat.

You're linking Morrissey to this scandal - even though he has nothing to do with this scandal.

Morrissey hardly appears in the media. No one needs to silence his views. A bunch of hacks wanted to get rid of him out of personal spite.

 

[Anonymous]

The legal definition only bothers you because you face persecution and possible prosecution for being attracted to minors (i.e. children 16-17), doesn't it?

Not quite, the legal definition bothers me primarily because I don't agree with its definition of a child.

But yes, given that I think it's perfectly natural for adults to be attracted to 16/17 year olds, then naturally the possibility of facing persecution and possible prosecution would be a concern to me, were I to act on that attraction, although while you evidently would love the law to endorse thought
policing, I think even you are not stupid enough to believe (surely?) that it's possible to prosecute someone simply on the basis of an attraction.

I'm glad the crusades for women's right, gay rights, black rights etc. didn't have to rely on people of your mentality - an unquestioning, credulous belief that the law must be right about everything. Although, given your zealous devotion to said principle, it's ironic that you're not prepared to accord Russell Brand a fair trial before convicting him in the court of public opinion. But hey, you're thick and irrational, we've established that by now.

 

[gashonthenail]

No one needs to silence his views.

There are several posts on Moz Central that would suggest otherwise.

 

[WhalleyRange]

I knew GB News was aimed at the dregs of humanity but this piece of shit Beverley Turner should be ashamed.
Fancy backing an alleged nonce just cos you approve of his politics. She seems to think the whole thing is amusing. Cockroach.

 

[Luxo]

I knew GB News was aimed at the dregs of humanity but this piece of shit Beverley Turner should be ashamed.
Fancy backing an alleged nonce just cos you approve of his politics. She seems to think the whole thing is amusing. Cockroach.

If Savile was alive and was a COVID 19 conspiracy theorist they'd also be denying that he raped kids.

 

[Mike Rourke]

Ah, Mr Brand.
Famous in part for his memoir entitled My Booky Wook.
Soon , he may be able to report back on his 'court casey wacey' followed perhaps by his experiences in his 'prison celly welly'.

 

[Me again]

I knew GB News was aimed at the dregs of humanity but this piece of shit Beverley Turner should be ashamed.
Fancy backing an alleged nonce just cos you approve of his politics. She seems to think the whole thing is amusing. Cockroach.

Fair play to Andrew Pierce there. His politics aren't my cup of tea but good on him for calling out a co-presenter on air. That took guts.

 

[gashonthenail]

I knew GB News was aimed at the dregs of humanity but this piece of shit Beverley Turner should be ashamed.
Fancy backing an alleged nonce just cos you approve of his politics. She seems to think the whole thing is amusing. Cockroach.

And by the 'dregs of humanity' no doubt you mean working class plebs who voted Brexit?
The same working class plebs whose daughters were raped in Rochdale and Rotherham in plain sight while the police and the authorities and the media did nothing.

 

[gordyboy9]

Ah, Mr Brand.
Famous in part for his memoir entitled My Booky Wook.
Soon , he may be able to report back on his 'court casey wacey' followed perhaps by his experiences in his 'prison celly welly'.

people dont go to jail in britain for rape,less than one percent,its a sad fact but it shows that the system is slanted towards the rapist,if it ever gets to court its usually a case of he said she said.

 

[Malarkey]

And by the 'dregs of humanity' no doubt you mean working class plebs who voted Brexit?
The same working class plebs whose daughters were raped in Rochdale and Rotherham in plain sight while the police and the authorities and the media did nothing.

Channel 4 was on to the grooming scandal in 2004.

The BNP hijacked their documentary, used it to spread their racism & made it harder for the girls to get justice.

'The BNP hijacked my film'

Anna Hall was devastated when her Channel 4 film, which investigated allegations that young white girls in Bradford were being groomed for sex, was used as rightwing propaganda. She talks to Anthea Milnes.

www.theguardian.com

 

[Luxo]

And by the 'dregs of humanity' no doubt you mean working class plebs who voted Brexit?
The same working class plebs whose daughters were raped in Rochdale and Rotherham in plain sight while the police and the authorities and the media did nothing.

God you chat so much f***ing shit man hahaha. Jesus wept, how have you not bored yourself to death yet? No c*** here, except you, has referred to Brexit voters as the working class, nor have they referred to them as plebs - you're the one who did that, so I suspect you're projecting your views of the working class onto others, you little middle class Tory. For what it's worth, not every working class person voted for Brexit, as much as you'd like to pretend, to make it look like all of the working classes agree with you, a middle class Tory voter, who is more right wing than f***ing Thatcher.

Considering that the regular output of GB News includes anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, covid 19 conspiracy theories, homophobia, transphobia, fear mongering of refugees, culture wars and now defending rapists, I expect the dregs of society OP are referring to are people like you, in trade in all that bullshit on places like this website.