Daily Record: "Morrissey used to be a charming man..."

The Daily Record placed this article behind a survey/advertising question, so I've taken the liberty of reproducing the entire thing here.
Written by / all credit: John Niven.

Morrissey used to be a charming man. Now it's more big mouth strikes again. And again. And again - Daily Record
John Niven muses on his teenage idol who has fallen off his pedestal in recent years as his political views have changed.

“Pictures of Strummer that fell from your wall, and nothing was hung in their place...” So sang Roddy Frame on Aztec Camera’s single Walk Out to Winter, all the way back in 1983.

I always took that lyric to be about the death of teenage hero worship.
Funnily enough, 1983 was about exactly the year the pictures of Strummer finally did fall from my wall, but, back then, at the age of 17, it was pictures of Morrissey that hung in their place for the next couple of years.

I worshipped the Morrissey of 1983 -1985. Every NME interview was an occasion, every Smiths Top of the Pops performance a jaw-dropping landmark moment of your teens. (A bush you could actually have hidden in hanging from his back pocket when they did Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now, the words Marry Me scrawled across his chest during William It Was Really Nothing.)

He hated Thatcher, played benefits for the GLC and openly praised CND.

It would have been hard indeed for me to connect the Morrissey of then with the Morrissey now, who a week ago said: “Last night Marine Le Pen easily won the French Election debate. Today both the BBC and CNN say Macron won the debate.

"This is precisely the reason why mainstream news media outlets cannot be trusted to tell the truth. Their private agendas are more important than facts, reality, or their duty to the people.”

It’s hard to know where to start with the unpacking of all this.

What’s most infuriating? Is it the parroting of the Trumpian “fake news” and “mainstream media lies”?

Or is just the fact that he’s expressing any kind of admiration of Marine Le Pen at all?

This is the Marine Le Pen who very recently pretty much denied France’s role in deporting Jews to the concentration camps.

The Marine Le Pen who worships Trump and Putin and who thought Brexit was great and who would have pulled France out of the EU too, had she not been (thankfully) defeated at the polls.

The same Marine Le Pen that any right-thinking person believes is about as close to an actual fascist that you would want to get.

Then you cast your mind back to Morrissey’s comments last year. He said: “As for Brexit, the result was magnificent, but it is not accepted by the BBC or Sky News because they object to a public that cannot be hypnotized by BBC or Sky nonsense.”

Or, a couple of years before that, when he said in a Loaded magazine interview: “I like Nigel Farage a great deal. His views are quite logical – especially where Europe is concerned.”

Well, as Father Ted said to the man with an enormous collection of Nazi memorabilia: “They say you do get more right wing as you get older...”

It has reached the point where Morrissey fills pretty much the same function for me as the Red Hot Chili Peppers do for Nick Cave.

The Smiths feature on an NME front cover from 1984:
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In case you don’t know the quote, Nick Cave famously said: “Whenever I’m near a stereo and I say, ‘What the hell is this rubbish?’, the answer is always the Red Hot Chili Peppers.” NB He didn’t say “hell” or “rubbish” but this is a family newspaper, kids.

Similarly, whenever I hear an outrageous racially sensitive quote and I say: “Dear God, what idiot said that?” The answer is almost always Morrissey.

If you’d told the 17-year-old me back in 1983 (the me who would have taken the proverbial flying bullet for Morrissey) that his Labour-campaigning, vegetarian, pro-CND, Thatcher-hating god would one day be a Farage and Le Pen-loving Brexiteer, he wouldn’t have believed you. He’d probably have attacked you.

But that’s hero worship for you, always tending towards disappointment in the end.

Or, as Julie Burchill once said: “The same pop star that you would have laid your life down for at the age of 15, a couple of years later you’d have to be coaxed across the road with red hot pokers to pour water on them if they were on fire.”

NB She didn’t suggest using water to put out the flames, it was another liquid. But this is a family newspaper, kids."

Regards,
FWD.
 
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i read this the other day as the record is my daily read being a Scottish newspaper.john nivens a bit of a dick in my opinion,based on other pieces hes wrote.
 
its also known as the daily ranger due to its affiliation with a certain football team,lets just say I support the other team.
 
i read this the other day as the record is my daily read being a Scottish newspaper.john nivens a bit of a dick in my opinion,based on other pieces hes wrote.

It gives the impression of the umpteenth try to do a character assassination on Moz by an absolute nono.
You can sense the hidden agenda, the worrie, someone who is and has been a totally independent person all his life and career still can be an influence, on any other people, young and old, interested in music and contemporary art.

Just denounce and destroy viciously the person who only says " make your OWN decisions " cause to get into the real discussion it will make you lose it.

Moz DOESN'T care anymore. He laughs at all the bullshit.
Do you really think he would think about it for 1 second?
There is no one there yet that could've be at his level and influencing him to change his opinions.
That might chance though, you never know. But it will be always a surprise and totally different as expected.

That says a lot about the validly of the opinions of those who oppose him.
They always react as if some adder has bitten them.
He knows how to touch a nerve.
Bless him and his independent stance.
 
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Good to know that discussing / disagreeing with the ill-conceived political statements of a pop star makes one barbaric and vicious. Really, Vlad the Impaler and ISIS are nothing compared to those who disagree with the Mozziah.
 
Good to know that discussing / disagreeing with the ill-conceived political statements of a pop star makes one barbaric and vicious. Really, Vlad the Impaler and ISIS are nothing compared to those who disagree with the Mozziah.

Not you 12inch!
Nothing wrong with discussing / disagreeing the political statements of a popstar. But hey, it's Morrissey!
Whether they are ill-conceived is part of the dabete of course.

He made some much attention receiving statements and isn't perfect. He never claimed to be.
But this was a piece of shit article.
You made more believable arguments and from a totally different angle and it was understandable and yet not hateful or despising Moz as a person.
I truely hope you know what I mean.
 
Good to know that discussing / disagreeing with the ill-conceived political statements of a pop star makes one barbaric and vicious. Really, Vlad the Impaler and ISIS are nothing compared to those who disagree with the Mozziah.

"you’d have to be coaxed across the road with red hot pokers to pour water on them if they were on fire"
 
Morrissey doesn't have far right tendencies, his views on animal rights could be construed as left wing

You do know it's possible to believe in animal rights, and have right-wing views when it comes to immigrants? I mean - hello - Adolf Hitler may have been vegetarian, but he wasn't exactly left-wing now, was he?
 
Political correctness and wilful misrepresentation masquerading as journalism. Moz expressed a distrust of news coverage. Its no coincidence that history is written by the one who wins, or 'his story'. Besides, anyone who expects their favourite singers/bands/writers/actors/artists to also be a role model or hero are absolute simpletons undeserving of sympathy.
Time for me to watch Paul Weller's fab new songs on Jools Holland. And I don't give a toss what Weller believes in or doesn't believe in.
 
"If you’d told the 17-year-old me back in 1983 (the me who would have taken the proverbial flying bullet for Morrissey) that his Labour-campaigning, vegetarian, pro-CND, Thatcher-hating god would one day be a Farage and Le Pen-loving Brexiteer, he wouldn’t have believed you."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Morrissey never campaigned for the Labour Party...
Yes. And yet Noel from Oasis practically licked Tony Blair's arse and nobody cares about it. Same way Moz was crucified for the Union Jack while rubbish Spice Twats were heroes for wrapping their cleavage in it. Stupid rag newspapers for stupid people. The NME was only ever mediocre at best. It's no wonder Moz never bothered responding to all their allegations.
 
You do know it's possible to believe in animal rights, and have right-wing views when it comes to immigrants? I mean - hello - Adolf Hitler may have been vegetarian, but he wasn't exactly left-wing now, was he?
That was exactly my point, people shouldn't be pigeon holed into left or right wing, you can have views or beliefs that span both
 
You do know it's possible to believe in animal rights, and have right-wing views when it comes to immigrants? I mean - hello - Adolf Hitler may have been vegetarian, but he wasn't exactly left-wing now, was he?

"Adolf Hitler may have been vegetarian"
Only in his later years.

I don't understand Hitler being a vegetarian has been used so many times against vegetarians. As if they are like him.

Hitler is always the argument to shut people up even if they are quite the opposite but have an opinion that people don't want to know as if they are taking away some kind of pleasure, or privilege, like eating meat, from them. That's why vegetarians are seen as dangerous to many people.
Yes, the freedom of being what you are, a meateater, is at stake here!
Freedom is at stake!

If those people, crying about their freedom would be consequential, they would have to propagandize Lenin, Stalin, Mao or any dictator for at least they were eating meat.
Never mind the population who had nothing to eat at all and were starving to death by millions.
But, no, Hitler is worse and the other victims are not important.
It's very convenient to be selective and use Hitler as a way to shut people up.
It wouldn't have the same result by mentioning any other massmurderer. Cause hey, they at least were not vegetarians!
 
"Adolf Hitler may have been vegetarian"
Only in his later years.

I don't understand Hitler being a vegetarian has been used so many times against vegetarians. As if they are like him.

Hitler is always the argument to shut people up even if they are quite the opposite but have an opinion that people don't want to know as if they are taking away some kind of pleasure, or privilege, like eating meat, from them. That's why vegetarians are seen as dangerous to many people.
Yes, the freedom of being what you are, a meateater, is at stake here!
Freedom is at stake!

If those people, crying about their freedom would be consequential, they would have to propagandize Lenin, Stalin, Mao or any dictator for at least they were eating meat.
Never mind the population who had nothing to eat at all and were starving to death by millions.
But, no, Hitler is worse and the other victims are not important.
It's very convenient to be selective and use Hitler as a way to shut people up.
It wouldn't have the same result by mentioning any other massmurderer. Cause hey, they at least were not vegetarians!
Vegan anemics all go bonkers just look around here.
 
Let's not forget who we are talking about here: "The Utoya killings are nothing compared to what happens at McDonald's and KFC every day".

Now THAT was a very ill-conceived and hurtful statement to hear for the victims, relatives and many other people at the time.
It was in my opinion rude an cruel.

But I can think of his outrage of the day to day murder of animals and his anger nobody seems to care about that.
The comparison is wrong cause it trivialized the mass murder and it hurt many people.

In his struggle to get more attention for animals being murdered these shocktactics to raise awareness were far over the top.
But the part about the animals I do agree with.
 
Now THAT was a very ill-conceived and hurtful statement to hear for the victims, relatives and many other people at the time.
It was in my opinion rude an cruel.

But I can think of his outrage of the day to day murder of animals and his anger nobody seems to care about that.
The comparison is wrong cause it trivialized the mass murder and it hurt many people.

In his struggle to get more attention for animals being murdered these shocktactics to raise awareness were far over the top.
But the part about the animals I do agree with.
We should all shoot socialists, it is a f***ing obligation.
 
Some people have a life and grow. Others remain as eternal teenagers. But they don't have the right to ask others to stop evolving and remain as their teen idols forever. People grow or freeze as copies of their past selves. Morrissey decided to grow keeping some core thoughts through his whole career. Take it or leave it. If you miss your teen years there are a lot of teenagers in musical industry right now to lay your life down for. Go ahead and good luck.
Anyway, stating Morrissey is a racist and suggesting it's a good thing to feed the fire of his pyre because you don't like him anymore... that's pathetical barbaric ignorance.

"Racially sensitive" is not the same thing as racist. And it's fair to say that if a xenophobic comment, or a comment about skin color or nationality is made by a pop star, that pop star is probably Morrissey.
And the part about not crossing the street, etc, isn't necessarily about Morrissey. Haven't you admired anyone when you were a child or teenager and later changed your mind?
If you believe Morrissey has grown that's your perception and you're entitled to see it that way.
 

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