Shadow Monkey
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Re: David deserved to be ejected by Morrissey.
I feel like I've known all of you for years now.
I feel like I've known all of you for years now.
He only throws out ex girlfriends who take snapshots at his concerts.Crazy stuff. It'd be like Springsteen throwing Charles R Cross or Chris Phillips out of his gigs. Never gonna happen. Never.
Wow. Some people really don't understand the concept of a forum. It is not a place for sycophantic praise but a place for discussion and criticism. This means that the good, as well as the bad, will inevitably be mentioned. So what if people don't like his backing band, or are underwhelmed by the latest songs...they are simply opinions. Why is Morrissey trying to suppress this freedom of speech and expression?
David why not have a democratic poll, sending the poll the users?
The questions could be like, do you think there should be anonymous posts? You don't have to even publish the results, they could be privately sent to you. I stopped coming here bc a lot of the abuse was put on me and I found it very unpleasant. In fact when I go to a show, I feel a little uncomfortable thinking this place represents everyone there.
Also, just to let everyone know, Morrissey is Irish/English. If you've ever spent time with the real people of those countries, they do like to fight and get in scruffs. Esp at perceoved insults. Its a different culture altogether.
Its not uncommon for people to be fighting verbally, throwin punches, and a group of guys to beat the crap out of someone for a perceived insult. I pretty much like the site for some things it is, but David got off easy. You could say you thought Morrissey was better. But fact is he's an Irish English dude from a working class area. I grew up in an American Irish English enclave, and believe me I got myself into a world of scraps. In a lot of ways I learned to fight there even tho I don't like to fight. When I visited england several times, was surprised to find out they sometimes took offense, but also they just saw things altogether differently than id assumed. Its a different culture.
I love that area of the world and not just bc of Morrissey. But it has its different elements. This being on of them for sure.
Knowing what I know, David, you might never get your answer. Unless maybe you bend a bit. id suggest don't be stubborn. We all know you're a great fan who deserves more than you got. But getting rid of anon comments isn't going to make the site less attractive to anyone. Its one peace lily to offer.
Anyway I hope it gets figured out. This place has been good in a lot of ways, but I agree maybe anon comments could be taken away. There's no basis for them.
Blimey an American that understand a bot about English/Irish working class culture.... That is very rare on here.
Lol well I got my ass kicked enough times to know davids approach isn't going to work. Even if he offers the peace lilly, therell still be some resentment for awhile. However if he's patient enough the relationship could be mended altho he might get his chops busted a cpl times here or there in a way a guy like david might not like. It all depends how important it is to him.
But I think that they view him responsible by proxy cuz its his website. And letting all the bad gossip and rumors fly like that is a sign of respect. Its something people do when they hate the person, so its (the website) being seen as a sign of disrespect. Cuz gossip and rumors are a sign that its on (a fight). Yea there's free speech to a point.
Ill bet david could be operating from american idea of freedom of speech, plus this websites his baby, plus he was a fan and how dissapointing to feel jilted or disrespected himself, plus morrisseys music is great and has such an appeal. Plus this website is amazing, as he said.
But morissey is a different kind of performer. He's got a large cult following. And even tho he doesn't know us personally and isn't out friend per se, he views us as his friends and possibly saw david as a friend. So being english and working class he and his band might see the dynamics of he and his culty following of friends a little differently and wanting to accord us and david respect but isn't seeing much of it back.
And given that like 8 yrs have gone by since the legal papers and all of us know how expensive joyce was, he'd appreciate some cooperation or at least a compromise, like switching anon comments off. Its really a small peace lilly to pay.
The great thing about peace lillies is it gives us an opportunity to let go of our ego. And can be really a great way to help us understand others, negotiate, and develop our business nature.
Anyway just trying to help. I see this problem and sincerely want to help david and the band somehow.
I was with you up to the bit about Morrissey seeing his fans as his friends he really doesn't, he certainly doesn't see David as one either- he has already got the lawyers on David (so I under stand).
Its not about just free speech, its about the leaked LPs, the LP that are in the shop that are on here to DL. Morrissey can take a wind up, but some of the things that get said about his friends,family and band are a bit much. Yes if you don't like something say so BUT don't aim to be cruel just for the sake of it. IT IS Davids site so David IS the one who is responsible.
I know one thing if someone owned a website that was taking money out of my pocket, saying cruel and hurtful things about me and my family etc..I wouldn't let them in my gig either- I see nothing wrong with this I really don't BUT of course its morrissey so we must blame him.
Yes he is a bitchy wind up merchant BUT how people who he has helped can turn on him like people do on here is beyond heartless.
Morrissey owes Davidt a refund and an apology...
And really, whoever pointed David out at the concert is a dickhead.
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Its not about just free speech, its about the leaked LPs, the LPs that are in the shop that are on here to DL. Morrissey can take a wind up, but some of the things that get said about his friends,family and band are a bit much.
I was with you up to the bit about Morrissey seeing his fans as his friends he really doesn't, he certainly doesn't see David as one either- he has already got the lawyers on David (so I under stand).
Its not about just free speech, its about the leaked LPs, the LP that are in the shop that are on here to DL. Morrissey can take a wind up, but some of the things that get said about his friends,family and band are a bit much. Yes if you don't like something say so BUT don't aim to be cruel just for the sake of it. IT IS Davids site so David IS the one who is responsible.