Do you hate America like Morrissey?
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wolve
the sad punk
You really can't say that you hate America since it's one of the few countries that really 'rule' the world. Yes, you can hate aspects about America but I seriously hope no one hates it!
It's like saying you hate France and French people but still drink every night a bottle of Bourgogne or Rosé and eat Boursin... (was this relevant?)
It's like saying you hate France and French people but still drink every night a bottle of Bourgogne or Rosé and eat Boursin... (was this relevant?)
I'm certainly very annoyed with Bush government.
The part of the country where I come from has the very visible presence of US Army and because it's the only battlefield in WWII in Japan and US government controlled the area until 1972. US government totally overlooked our historical heritages and culture. It took them just a few weeks to destroy all the historical buildings and objects in the area. My parents couldn't save anything from their childhood. It's also very much Japanese government's own fault. They don't care about us hence we always live with all the danger and unpleasant stuff.
I have very mixed feeling about USA. One of my aunts is married to a landowner who used to receive the grant from the government and they're well-off. I appreciate some cultural stuff from the country, but because of the presence of the Army which worries me very much. I wonder if I'd live long enough to witness the complete withdrawal of US Army from the area.
The part of the country where I come from has the very visible presence of US Army and because it's the only battlefield in WWII in Japan and US government controlled the area until 1972. US government totally overlooked our historical heritages and culture. It took them just a few weeks to destroy all the historical buildings and objects in the area. My parents couldn't save anything from their childhood. It's also very much Japanese government's own fault. They don't care about us hence we always live with all the danger and unpleasant stuff.
I have very mixed feeling about USA. One of my aunts is married to a landowner who used to receive the grant from the government and they're well-off. I appreciate some cultural stuff from the country, but because of the presence of the Army which worries me very much. I wonder if I'd live long enough to witness the complete withdrawal of US Army from the area.
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The Goat
Banned
Bit of a sweeping and broad question.
I dont hate America (and what do you mean by 'America').
I have visited the country eight times and indeed worked there for a while and have some good friends there.
The question is 'why is America unpopular' and that leads us to its policies abroad and it's perceived 'Policeman of the world' and an illegal war in the middle east.
It is Bush and his actions that lead people to 'dislike' the country. It all appears to be of self interest (you are with us or against us). On the whole, the people are fine. Some great people and some right raving lunatics, just like any other country.
The Goat
I dont hate America (and what do you mean by 'America').
I have visited the country eight times and indeed worked there for a while and have some good friends there.
The question is 'why is America unpopular' and that leads us to its policies abroad and it's perceived 'Policeman of the world' and an illegal war in the middle east.
It is Bush and his actions that lead people to 'dislike' the country. It all appears to be of self interest (you are with us or against us). On the whole, the people are fine. Some great people and some right raving lunatics, just like any other country.
The Goat
MrRoboto
Member
the titled of this poll really cracked me up!! 
I don't think Moz hates the US at all, but at the risk of making it sound like "America is the world" I believe there must be some VERY good reason why he has skipped this country on his tour (so far). Considering how successful his previous tours here have been, he certainly has no reason to worry that his shows won't sell out, or at least come close.
I don't think Moz hates the US at all, but at the risk of making it sound like "America is the world" I believe there must be some VERY good reason why he has skipped this country on his tour (so far). Considering how successful his previous tours here have been, he certainly has no reason to worry that his shows won't sell out, or at least come close.
alma matters
New Member
I am American, and I don't hate my country...but right now I am incredibly dissapointed in it.
My dear fiance (big Moz fan..LOL) is over fighting for Operation Iraqi Freedom. He got wounded in June there. Then I hear all the recent news about Bush and the administration and pretty much the war and it disgusts me that here is my boyfriend and how many other thousands of people getting hurt, dying and just being over there for what?
I don't dislike the country...just the leadership at the current time.
My dear fiance (big Moz fan..LOL) is over fighting for Operation Iraqi Freedom. He got wounded in June there. Then I hear all the recent news about Bush and the administration and pretty much the war and it disgusts me that here is my boyfriend and how many other thousands of people getting hurt, dying and just being over there for what?
I don't dislike the country...just the leadership at the current time.
MrRoboto
Member
I agree with you completely. I hope your fiance returns safely.
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singyourlife
Guest
Do I hate America?
No.
Do I hate the man who is currently telling people what to do in America? I'll give you a hint, he lives in the White House
ABSO-FREAKIN'-LUTELY!
No.
Do I hate the man who is currently telling people what to do in America? I'll give you a hint, he lives in the White House
ABSO-FREAKIN'-LUTELY!
DeliciousDemon
Ghost of the troubled Joe
I think this poll sits on false premises (Moz hating the US) therefore I don't feel motivated enough to vote on it.
As for the rest, Goat pretty much reflected my opinion so no need to repeat it once again using other words. It's all there.
As for the rest, Goat pretty much reflected my opinion so no need to repeat it once again using other words. It's all there.
Puddle
Banned
it's not america's fault, but capitalism's. meaning america can't control it. it's the number one superpower that needs to spread (imperialsim) in order to achieve growth (growth=capitalism's survival). By spreading, i mean in cultural, economic ways (including political influence) all over the world. If the UK were in that position, it would do the same not because it wants to, but because it will do so mechanically--it has to. You see this kind of influence on smaller scales regarding a neighboring culture on another. the dominant will haqve cultural influence on the weaker of the two. but USA is the biggest in the world so it's influence is all over. USA isn't pushing anythng on you, it's just trying to survive.
IS it natural? well it is capitalism so is capitalism natural? well no not really though 'survival of the fittest' does play into it. and in many ways, it's why it's able to outlast other idealogies.
The Eu was set up to compete with the USA, though unfortunately there are too many cultrual, political and economic differences between the members to achieve any power shift away from the USA. so say hello to Tom Cruise.
Trouble loves me
Memberless
One man's hate is another's dislike (and Confucius turns in his grave).
I don't think Morrissey hates the country, or the majority of it's people, in the slightest (well, i say that, but Moz isn't really overly fond of the human race in general).
I think he feels the way many of us do; we hate the American government and like or love the country. Just as most Britons hate the current UK government, but love our country. The two things are mutually exclusive (whether the country is one under a democracy or a dictatorship). The truth of the matter is, no matter how the loud the public raise their dissenting voices and no matter how much the government cock up, it's very difficult to knock a Machiavellian leader out of office. The cliche that money is power is as true now as it ever was.
It's taken me a few years to realise that life long Labour supporters were weeping into their pints the night Tony Blair took over as leader of their beloved party, as it was already well known that his brand of socialism consisted of liberal conservativism. I, for one, am sick of hearing about how New Labour has strengthened the economy, improved education and health care (only minimally as far as i can see) and generally been a good thing for this country. If Blair had confined his 'leadership' to this country only, then yes, his party would have been a good thing, but i sincerely hope he knows that his people don't think that good leadership at home excuses his crimes over the rest of the world. And the same goes for Bush (who, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, scandals like Enron and the number of state executions over which he presided probably can't even claim good leadership at home).
That's a fancy ranting way of saying it's stupid to hate a country based on it's government. It's as daft as saying that the sins of the fathers shall be passed to the sons ... every person on this planet is an individual (there ends my own brand of philosophical generalisation)
I don't think Morrissey hates the country, or the majority of it's people, in the slightest (well, i say that, but Moz isn't really overly fond of the human race in general).
I think he feels the way many of us do; we hate the American government and like or love the country. Just as most Britons hate the current UK government, but love our country. The two things are mutually exclusive (whether the country is one under a democracy or a dictatorship). The truth of the matter is, no matter how the loud the public raise their dissenting voices and no matter how much the government cock up, it's very difficult to knock a Machiavellian leader out of office. The cliche that money is power is as true now as it ever was.
It's taken me a few years to realise that life long Labour supporters were weeping into their pints the night Tony Blair took over as leader of their beloved party, as it was already well known that his brand of socialism consisted of liberal conservativism. I, for one, am sick of hearing about how New Labour has strengthened the economy, improved education and health care (only minimally as far as i can see) and generally been a good thing for this country. If Blair had confined his 'leadership' to this country only, then yes, his party would have been a good thing, but i sincerely hope he knows that his people don't think that good leadership at home excuses his crimes over the rest of the world. And the same goes for Bush (who, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, scandals like Enron and the number of state executions over which he presided probably can't even claim good leadership at home).
That's a fancy ranting way of saying it's stupid to hate a country based on it's government. It's as daft as saying that the sins of the fathers shall be passed to the sons ... every person on this planet is an individual (there ends my own brand of philosophical generalisation)
THDevil
Junior Member
I doubt Morrissey hates America just as I know Hugo Chavez doesnt hate America. They hate the Bush regime and what they represent. Much to American's dismay Bush's cronies own him as well as everything else (he's still an idiot though). The problem with our country is that we somehow forgot that WE OWN our government and not the other way around. I think Morrissey and the rest of the world knows this better than we do and are tired of waiting around for our next "revolution". I think it's only a matter of time before our great country becomes a joke to the world (if it already isnt). Everyone knows our premise for war on Iraq was bullshit, everyone knows 9-11 and what we were meant to believe about it is bogus but we dont hear about this in the mainstream media. Why? Simply because it's not in their best interest and owned by Bush's cronies. My fellow Americans, help do something! Please seek alternative sources for news. For starters, watch Outfoxxed, Loose Change, The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (if you could get your hands on it), even Farenheit 9-11. Seek the truth and dont settle for anything less so that we wont ever be deprived of seeing Morrissey for our lack of "intelligence" in the future when all is hopefully well.
Puddle
Banned
Underneath it all, i agree with all you say. but you still seem overly idealistic and naive like i once was. 1) there won't be a revolution--that's the beauty of a free market society. it's a trick to keep capitalism alive. The US people--even with all its depression, occasional shitty economy, lying, etc--will never uprise because there is no mass motivator to doing so in a free market society. The american dream is sitll alive and why wouldn't it be? sure it's a farce, biut the theory of "The American Dream" exists--it's a distinct possibility wheras in communism it isn't possible (thus you get revolutions. same with fascism--you get revolutions because there is no chance or illusion of a better life. there's just dead end oppression) 2) there is no country in the world truely owned by the people. there just isn't. there might be more sincere politicians, untouched by corporations, but there's still invisible forces influencing the government--not the very visible people.
The best thing for America, if one truely hate capitalism, imperialism, etc...the best next step for the US is for it to go full out fascist. only if it jumps to that next step, will a revolution even be possible. The possibility of "the American Dream" must be destroyed.
That's my ranting. it's not socialist or communist. I like capitalism but hate imperialism (corporate or military). can the two exist without the other? i don't really know. it wouldn't be the same capitalism though. which is fine. currently, the stock market needs to go up up up. which means we need war war war.
Walkers Crisp
Nobody's Nothing
What a silly poll....
davdavon
Don't ask
Capitalism is not an ideology, it's a mode of production. And historically speaking, it's a very young one. It's hardly had much time to outlast too many alternatives. And it's moving from crisis to crisis. So I really won't say there's anything "natural" about it.
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