Morrissey the 23rd
Banned
Date: 27/10/2008 21:56:52 GMT Standard Time
From: Uncleskinny,
Ok Hugh, I'll tell you why I pushed the button.
You made three posts in a row, all thinly-veiled posts about Kewpie, one compared her to Hitler. Taken in isolation, they might be innocent, but you knew what you were doing, and it's disappointing in a way you felt you had to do this.
I like you very much Hugh, I really do, but you must understand that I, and the other mods do our best to play by the rules. I would have done the same no matter who the poster had been.
I'm a very simple man, and I've been told I'm very simple. I just want people to be nice. It's not a ban, it's a time-out. You were not given a time out for posting a picture of someone, it was for the combination of the posting and the intent, which, to me, was very clear. You must have know it wasn't fair.
I wish you all the best, and the next time I see you I'll buy you a few pints and talk about anything you want.
Love,
Petre
Date: 28/10/2008 00:20:22 GMT Standard Time
From: Morrisseythe23rd
The route of the problem is that rules the are not applied equally and that disappoints me. You know that I am right.
You know since Kewpie began... Yes, I've not forgotten the very important point of it was her who threw the first stone, then again, and again. ... you could have done more to stand up for what is right. Not just for me but in general. I've said nothing much about your silence. I've probably said more to Karin and I hardly know her. For whatever reason, you decided not to and that also disappoints me because you can't possibly think she is doing a decent job of it.
I 'knew' it was you and that really angered me. So much so, I punched a hole in my wall leaving me with a sore fist. I felt really let down. I believe that being a friend made it easier for you. Knowing me, knowing what I am like but no TOS was broken. God help us if we start getting locked up for what we might do.
I'd have been upset if David had taken the same action but not nearly as much. I honestly think Kewpie is mental and I pity her but I refuse to suffer because of her. I truly believe she tries hard and means well but that isn't enough, is it? If it was a business, she would have been managed out the door a long time ago. Everything in the end reflects on David and as it is his business, untimely I hold him responsible for everything. It is just a shame he couldn't give a f***.
Even after all the times Kewpie was a kaunt to me. When I saw her in London, how did I react? Then she did it again and when I again saw her in London? I even controlled verbal jokes from going in her direction. I was the nice guy that I try to be and kept a distance from her (to give her room). Given the chance, I would have expected her to go for me faster than she moves or deletes my posts but it was you who jumped in and I believe without understanding of what I posted. You became her patsy. Our apathetic fuhrer wouldn't let his nose get shit on it but you dived right in.
I was talking from somebody from the Moz world on-line after it happened. He doesn't use Solo but is very, very aware of what goes on there. He said he felt the Mods are drunk on the small amount of power that they have and power corrupts, as their messiah complex sets in. At first, I thought that sounded a bit of a cliché but on reflection, I agree. He was in agreement with me that David doesn't care. In fact, it was him I ripped the shit on the nose line from.
It is nice to be nice. Agreed. Respect is also nice but also a two-way street. The third time Kewpie was out of order, I had a little more to say. Pity others who should have had something to say while she span out-of-control, didn't. For all the years I posted here, the only person I've ever had a real issue with is Kewpie and I tried harder than I should have to resolve it. I'd be as well talking to my dented wall.
I should never had posted a lot of what I have posted but I'm reactionary and also extremely sensitive. That is another failing for a mod - To make errors or decisions without an apology or explanation. Your wee gang can get together a make a pack decisions but everybody else is reading and judging and they are all part of the bigger, more important group.
Would you really have banned anybody else for my posts today? Really? I don't believe you if you say you would have. There soon wouldn't be anybody left. If (rather than name names) you guys who maintain and run the site don't get your act together. All you are going to be left with is just the dross. Unlike most, some of my posts were about the artist that brings us together. Maybe what is wanted is more posts like, Is Santa real? and other posts of whatever inane thought is in the head at the time. Can you remember the last conversation we had (in person) about Solo? I can. You may have stood up for me in the background but you really should have been out there on the boards, standing up for the group as a collective. You shouldn't have had to because it shouldn't have been allowed. Having happened, David should have got involved to correct it but failing that, somebody should have. I guess it must be tougher to tell Mod friends when they are out-of-order.
How would you react if you walked into your local and were banned for f*** all, just as I was? I did not break any TOS but collectively, you felt I needed to be brought down a peg or two. The sinner needed to be punished. Remember what I said in that conversation about how I'd react to that?
I hope the new found fairness you speak of is practised and equally among all members.
I hope you don't mind me copying in David but I want him to see the full picture, even if he doesn't. He is then completely responsible for what action he does or doesn't take on his site.
H
Date: 28/10/2008 00:37:08 GMT Standard Time
From: DavidT
I'm sorry you feel it is unfair but Peter's actions are correct and the
same action I would have taken and others. "You know that I am
right."... that sounds more Hitler-esque than anything kewpie has ever
said. Frankly, my opinion is that you are wrong.
You have long been harassing kewpie and this is a violation of the TOS.
If anyone else had done the same they would have gotten the same
infraction. Actually, since you have been a long-time user we have been
lighter - you haven't been banned immediately. Moderation is not an
exact science but if you want to be treated the same as any other random
user I can give you a permanent ban if you like.
I also reject your opinion that I 'don't give a f***' as I continue to
spend hours reading and responding to your complaints. If you tell me
specifically what you want and back up your claims, I can give you a
specific response. And don't say 'it's all there, just look'.
From: Uncleskinny,
Ok Hugh, I'll tell you why I pushed the button.
You made three posts in a row, all thinly-veiled posts about Kewpie, one compared her to Hitler. Taken in isolation, they might be innocent, but you knew what you were doing, and it's disappointing in a way you felt you had to do this.
I like you very much Hugh, I really do, but you must understand that I, and the other mods do our best to play by the rules. I would have done the same no matter who the poster had been.
I'm a very simple man, and I've been told I'm very simple. I just want people to be nice. It's not a ban, it's a time-out. You were not given a time out for posting a picture of someone, it was for the combination of the posting and the intent, which, to me, was very clear. You must have know it wasn't fair.
I wish you all the best, and the next time I see you I'll buy you a few pints and talk about anything you want.
Love,
Petre
Date: 28/10/2008 00:20:22 GMT Standard Time
From: Morrisseythe23rd
The route of the problem is that rules the are not applied equally and that disappoints me. You know that I am right.
You know since Kewpie began... Yes, I've not forgotten the very important point of it was her who threw the first stone, then again, and again. ... you could have done more to stand up for what is right. Not just for me but in general. I've said nothing much about your silence. I've probably said more to Karin and I hardly know her. For whatever reason, you decided not to and that also disappoints me because you can't possibly think she is doing a decent job of it.
I 'knew' it was you and that really angered me. So much so, I punched a hole in my wall leaving me with a sore fist. I felt really let down. I believe that being a friend made it easier for you. Knowing me, knowing what I am like but no TOS was broken. God help us if we start getting locked up for what we might do.
I'd have been upset if David had taken the same action but not nearly as much. I honestly think Kewpie is mental and I pity her but I refuse to suffer because of her. I truly believe she tries hard and means well but that isn't enough, is it? If it was a business, she would have been managed out the door a long time ago. Everything in the end reflects on David and as it is his business, untimely I hold him responsible for everything. It is just a shame he couldn't give a f***.
Even after all the times Kewpie was a kaunt to me. When I saw her in London, how did I react? Then she did it again and when I again saw her in London? I even controlled verbal jokes from going in her direction. I was the nice guy that I try to be and kept a distance from her (to give her room). Given the chance, I would have expected her to go for me faster than she moves or deletes my posts but it was you who jumped in and I believe without understanding of what I posted. You became her patsy. Our apathetic fuhrer wouldn't let his nose get shit on it but you dived right in.
I was talking from somebody from the Moz world on-line after it happened. He doesn't use Solo but is very, very aware of what goes on there. He said he felt the Mods are drunk on the small amount of power that they have and power corrupts, as their messiah complex sets in. At first, I thought that sounded a bit of a cliché but on reflection, I agree. He was in agreement with me that David doesn't care. In fact, it was him I ripped the shit on the nose line from.
It is nice to be nice. Agreed. Respect is also nice but also a two-way street. The third time Kewpie was out of order, I had a little more to say. Pity others who should have had something to say while she span out-of-control, didn't. For all the years I posted here, the only person I've ever had a real issue with is Kewpie and I tried harder than I should have to resolve it. I'd be as well talking to my dented wall.
I should never had posted a lot of what I have posted but I'm reactionary and also extremely sensitive. That is another failing for a mod - To make errors or decisions without an apology or explanation. Your wee gang can get together a make a pack decisions but everybody else is reading and judging and they are all part of the bigger, more important group.
Would you really have banned anybody else for my posts today? Really? I don't believe you if you say you would have. There soon wouldn't be anybody left. If (rather than name names) you guys who maintain and run the site don't get your act together. All you are going to be left with is just the dross. Unlike most, some of my posts were about the artist that brings us together. Maybe what is wanted is more posts like, Is Santa real? and other posts of whatever inane thought is in the head at the time. Can you remember the last conversation we had (in person) about Solo? I can. You may have stood up for me in the background but you really should have been out there on the boards, standing up for the group as a collective. You shouldn't have had to because it shouldn't have been allowed. Having happened, David should have got involved to correct it but failing that, somebody should have. I guess it must be tougher to tell Mod friends when they are out-of-order.
How would you react if you walked into your local and were banned for f*** all, just as I was? I did not break any TOS but collectively, you felt I needed to be brought down a peg or two. The sinner needed to be punished. Remember what I said in that conversation about how I'd react to that?
I hope the new found fairness you speak of is practised and equally among all members.
I hope you don't mind me copying in David but I want him to see the full picture, even if he doesn't. He is then completely responsible for what action he does or doesn't take on his site.
H
Date: 28/10/2008 00:37:08 GMT Standard Time
From: DavidT
I'm sorry you feel it is unfair but Peter's actions are correct and the
same action I would have taken and others. "You know that I am
right."... that sounds more Hitler-esque than anything kewpie has ever
said. Frankly, my opinion is that you are wrong.
You have long been harassing kewpie and this is a violation of the TOS.
If anyone else had done the same they would have gotten the same
infraction. Actually, since you have been a long-time user we have been
lighter - you haven't been banned immediately. Moderation is not an
exact science but if you want to be treated the same as any other random
user I can give you a permanent ban if you like.
I also reject your opinion that I 'don't give a f***' as I continue to
spend hours reading and responding to your complaints. If you tell me
specifically what you want and back up your claims, I can give you a
specific response. And don't say 'it's all there, just look'.