How many of you are vegetarians?

[suparni]

Oh come on, how can anyone not make fun of a book that is called "World Peace Diet", propounds the theory that meat "vibrates in the key of misery" and advances the view that India has historically been a peaceful country (because it's more vegetarian)?

Well... I don't know that the book said any of that... I am only on the second chapter.... hahahha actually I am the one who came up with "vibrates in the key of misery" hahah the book never mentioned that, dickhead.

Furthermore... the book didn't mention India (so far in my reading,) I did. India has a much much longer history than what you are referring to. I am speaking long term... a long long long history. In fact India's diet is transforming as is its population... so your history means nothing to me. I lived in India for many many years... and I know what I am saying makes sense... perhaps not to you. But it does.

And as for that dudes bio, I have done Tai Chi for many years now and I wore maroon robes for many years as well... so maybe you are making fun of that Zen dude to the wrong person....

oh and...

 

[AmeliaScoptophilia]

ROFL!!!! The healthy vegan, declaring she only has vegetables one time a week (sometimes less) and eats sweets like a madwoman!!! What, is she one of those 17-year-olds who turned vegan at 16-and-a-half and is the expert on everything now? (She'll eat a cheeseburger by 17-and-a-half....)

Whatever. People can eat whatever they like, I don't give a darn.
But it's pretty funny that a vegan hates vegetables. I eat vegetables every day....

I doubt you're healthy, but take it up with your doctor at your next physical.

Excuse me? Okay, before you make yourself look like a complete, utter IDIOT... maybe you should have read the part where I stated I've been a vegetarian for NINE f***IN' YEARS. So uh, no. No cheeseburger for me at 17-and-a-half, because I've already passed that point; no cheeseburger for me ever, really. I ran a vegan restaurant, I know quite a bit about the subject.

I do take it up with my doctor, and that is why I can state that I am healthy. And I didn't say I ATE healthy. I completely proudly state I don't eat macrobiotic healthy shit. I said I, myself, was healthy. Meaning vitamin levels etc.

And, why, exactly is it funny that a vegan who is vegan for ethical reasons hates vegetables? I don't deny that meat is tasty. Nor did I say I hated vegetables. I just don't eat them. I didn't go vegan because I wanted to be healthy, nor because I didn't enjoy the taste of meat....purely ethics.



...So you can take the shoe out of yer mouth now, moron.









Kthnx.

 

[AmeliaScoptophilia]

Hi Stephen, I really suggest that you try almond breeze unsweetened almond milk... or coconut milk... soy has its own perils for some people and you could be one of them. Look into it.

Also you might like to research what vegan restaurants (if any) there are in your area so this way you can quickly suggest an alternative that suits you when friends want to go get a bite to eat. It's often more fun when there are exciting options because salad and pasta might get old after a while and fresh well done vegan options are not always plentiful at some places... otherwise its not going to be as hard as you think. You might want to try hitting a place like whole foods or better your local health store and maybe get some kind of vegan treat like chocolate or something... this way when you crave some kind of goodie and realize it has milk it, you do not have to feel you are sacrificing but rather enjoying a delish alternative...

congrats.

I agree with the unsweetened almond milk! If I need a substitute for milk in any regular non-vegan recipe, I use unsweetened almond milk. However, for cereal, I like unsweetened soy milk =).


And to whoever asked how to make it so you don't miss cheese/dairy/etc.......... There's no way. You're pretty much (I'm not speaking on behalf of everyone...just pretty much any vegan I've encountered =P) always going to be searching for the non-cheese that tastes like cheese. There are vegan substitutes...but practically every vegan cheese on the market tastes like feet. ..It gets easier, obviously, but you get cravings from time to time =(.

 

[Qvist]

Well... I don't know that the book said any of that... I am only on the second chapter.... hahahha actually I am the one who came up with "vibrates in the key of misery" hahah the book never mentioned that, dickhead.

You're the one who came up with that, and that makes me the dickhead?

Furthermore... the book didn't mention India (so far in my reading,) I did. India has a much much longer history than what you are referring to. I am speaking long term... a long long long history. In fact India's diet is transforming as is its population... so your history means nothing to me. I lived in India for many many years... and I know what I am saying makes sense... perhaps not to you. But it does.

You mean I should be making fun of you, and not the book? It's not my history, it's India's. Which indeed is long. And fairly violent.

And as for that dudes bio, I have done Tai Chi for many years now and I wore maroon robes for many years as well... so maybe you are making fun of that Zen dude to the wrong person....

Obviously. The right person would be one who realised that the point was that whatever the virtues of Zen, it's not something that provides you with the knowledge to analyse the impact of the meat industry on global warming.

oh and...

What, are your lentils vibrating in the key of anger today?

 

[Stephen]

Ah cheers for the advice guys. Yeah I was definitely thinking of changing from soya milk to an alternative, as I have been eating a fair amount of soya lately too (out of laziness). And as far as looking for a vegan restaurant goes, I don't think I'd need to worry about that...I'm a poor student!

I don't really think I'd miss cheese, but I use eggs a lot so that will be hard. But to paraphrase what someone said on here before, good things don't come easily.

 

[Stephen]

Also, I find it strange how aggressive some of the meat eaters on here get about this issue. I can understand why Vegetarians would get angry, as they hold a strong ethical belief against the eating of meat, but why must the meat eaters here get so wound up and attack these beliefs? Do they feel equally as passionate FOR eating meat?? I would imagine not...

 

[nogodsnomasters85]

Also, I find it strange how aggressive some of the meat eaters on here get about this issue. I can understand why Vegetarians would get angry, as they hold a strong ethical belief against the eating of meat, but why must the meat eaters here get so wound up and attack these beliefs? Do they feel equally as passionate FOR eating meat?? I would imagine not...

I think you're trying to address me. Aggressive? Perhaps, you wouldn't be the first to suggest, as my signiture implies. However, I think I've been rather restrained. To recap; I have been called stupid, immoral, lazy, a failure, a pseudo-intellectual, a "sad empty individual", and compared to a Nazi. (Thats' overlooking Theo's charge that I'm a communist because he wasn't disagreeing with me, and he's always saying crap like that.) I would say I've been very cool by comparison. Incidentally, I was provoked. All I said was I'm not a vegetarian, now the thread title WAS posed in the form of a question, which has two possible answers. Or maybe just one if you ask the Stalinists.

I'll answer you're question in reverse order as it makes more sense. I do not feel any real considerable passion about meat eating, it really isn't central to my identity. Although, food is one of the relatively few things I enjoy, and meat is a part of my diet. I'm also not particularly concerned what people do in their own lives, you can eat tofurkey until you turn blue. Although I do have some valid concern about the benefit of a vegan diet for pregnant women or infants.

My issue is that the radical animal rights ideology is philosophically bankrupt. It doesn't hold water. I just really take issue with the ideology. If I'm confronted with scientology, or creationism, or national socialism, yes, two can play at that game, I'm going to say it's bogus. I don't care who eats meat, but I object to the notion that I'm compelled to do the same, because that requires a burden of proof that I don't think can be met. We'll see.

 

[Theo]

Excuse me? Okay, before you make yourself look like a complete, utter IDIOT... maybe you should have read the part where I stated I've been a vegetarian for NINE f***IN' YEARS. So uh, no. No cheeseburger for me at 17-and-a-half, because I've already passed that point; no cheeseburger for me ever, really. I ran a vegan restaurant, I know quite a bit about the subject.

I do take it up with my doctor, and that is why I can state that I am healthy. And I didn't say I ATE healthy. I completely proudly state I don't eat macrobiotic healthy shit. I said I, myself, was healthy. Meaning vitamin levels etc.

And, why, exactly is it funny that a vegan who is vegan for ethical reasons hates vegetables? I don't deny that meat is tasty. Nor did I say I hated vegetables. I just don't eat them. I didn't go vegan because I wanted to be healthy, nor because I didn't enjoy the taste of meat....purely ethics.

...So you can take the shoe out of yer mouth now, moron..

What shoe in my mouth? You claim you're a vegan who doesn't eat vegetables. What the f*ck kind of ridiculous diet are you on then? A vegan junk food diet?

 

[Theo]

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Hey, NoGods, I had a question for you back a couple pages. But I'm not surprised you ducked it.

 

[nogodsnomasters85]

Hey, NoGods, I had a question for you back a couple pages. But I'm not surprised you ducked it.

Because it was a bogus question. I owe you nothing, but for the record I "am not, nor have I ever been." Also, one has to differentiate between small "c" communism, which is an idology that has been espoused in various permutations, or Communism, (Big "C".) the political system of the USSR. I don't think anyone would hold the Soviet system as a model to be emulated, although the "free market" did a lot of damage over there, too. I have no idea of the precise total of people killed by communist regimes (NOT by Communism/communism itself, as of yet no ideology has been proven to be fatal by virtue of it's existence.) the best you can do is speculate and come up with rough estimates. I'm sure you've got some ginormous figure out of the "Black Book of Communism", or whatever. While you're taking numbers you might want to add up the death tolls of the US-backed dictatorships in Haiti, Nicaragua, Indonesia, El Salvador, Iran, Panama, Iraq, or the death tolls in Afghanistan, Vietnam, our multiple misadventures in the gulf and any number of other brutal meaningless atrocities. However, I've long learned that attempting to argue with you logically is a waste of energy.

 

[Carnation]

Any tips from you Vegans out there on how to get started and not miss dairy products would be very nice!

Check out these helpful sites:
http://www.godairyfree.org/
http://vegetarian.about.com/od/vegetarianvegan101/f/MilkSubstitutes.htm

It's easier to be vegan if you are lactose intolerant (like me )

 

[I am a Ghost]

There are fruitarians too! I luvs me fruits, but I don't think I could go down this avenue.

http://www.fruitarian.com/

 

[withmyheadonthebar]

Also, I find it strange how aggressive some of the meat eaters on here get about this issue. I can understand why Vegetarians would get angry, as they hold a strong ethical belief against the eating of meat, but why must the meat eaters here get so wound up and attack these beliefs? Do they feel equally as passionate FOR eating meat?? I would imagine not...

Having followed the thread, and the many threads on the same issue that have come before, I can honestly say that generally speaking the veggies get far more aggressive than the meat eaters.

 

[withmyheadonthebar]

There are fruitarians too! I luvs me fruits, but I don't think I could go down this avenue.

http://www.fruitarian.com/

Lordy.

 

[Theo]

Because it was a bogus question. I owe you nothing, but for the record I "am not, nor have I ever been." Also, one has to differentiate between small "c" communism, which is an idology that has been espoused in various permutations, or Communism, (Big "C".) the political system of the USSR. I don't think anyone would hold the Soviet system as a model to be emulated, although the "free market" did a lot of damage over there, too. I have no idea of the precise total of people killed by communist regimes (NOT by Communism/communism itself, as of yet no ideology has been proven to be fatal by virtue of it's existence.) the best you can do is speculate and come up with rough estimates. I'm sure you've got some ginormous figure out of the "Black Book of Communism", or whatever. While you're taking numbers you might want to add up the death tolls of the US-backed dictatorships in Haiti, Nicaragua, Indonesia, El Salvador, Iran, Panama, Iraq, or the death tolls in Afghanistan, Vietnam, our multiple misadventures in the gulf and any number of other brutal meaningless atrocities. However, I've long learned that attempting to argue with you logically is a waste of energy.

Thanks for confirming that you're a commie.

Yes, I can understand why you ducked the question, commie boy.

 

[nogodsnomasters85]

Thanks for confirming that you're a commie.

Yes, I can undersand why you ducked the question, commie boy.

Of course. In the labyrinth of serpentine logic and far right ideology that comprises your psyche it must make perfect sense; I insist I am not a communist, therefore I must be.

 

[Theo]

Of course. In the labyrinth of serpentine logic and far right ideology that comprises your psyche it must make perfect sense; I insist I am not a communist, therefore I must be.

You were going on about big "C" and little "c" communism. So you're a commie embarrassed by the fact that each and every time communism has ever been attempted in the real world it has led to the deaths of millions of people.

And btw, free market capitalism has lifted more people up out of extreme poverty, and saved more lives, than anything else in the entire history of the human race. Communism, in contrast, has killed more people than anyting in the history of the human race.

But you keep going on about big "C" and little "c" communism. Your ism is evil and has killed more people than anything else in the entire history of this planet. I can see why you love it so much! You're definitely the person I wanna consult on how to solve all our problems!

 

[dom]

Also, I find it strange how aggressive some of the meat eaters on here get about this issue. I can understand why Vegetarians would get angry, as they hold a strong ethical belief against the eating of meat, but why must the meat eaters here get so wound up and attack these beliefs? Do they feel equally as passionate FOR eating meat?? I would imagine not...

Hey Stephen. On the whole, i find vegies generally more aggressive, as they have an 'ethical' standpoint to argue .. some of the words and name the veggies have called me and others have been pretty harsh .. but hey.. all drifts over me head anyway. I'm at ease with my eating habbits, so the insults mean very little.

 

[suparni]

What, are your lentils vibrating in the key of anger today?

No. You simply make me sick, is all. I don't think its worth speaking to you anymore. Its already hard enough having to share the world with insensitive people... I'll pass on the conversation.

 

[Stephen]

I think you're trying to address me.

Not just bailing out or anything, but I really wasn't addressing anyone in particular. And to respond to another point that someone made, I didn't say that veggies are less aggressive, I would agree that some Vegetarians are more aggressive. But, I can see why these people are this way, because they stand up for something that they truly believe in. I don't see why some meat eaters can be just as aggressive, when they are not standing up for anything in particular.

And and for the record, I believe in a hell of a lot of communist ideology too. But that is for another thread...