Lyrics of the four new songs

[Mayfly]

Maybe you should go look for another music related site elsewhere to go and park yourself on all day, rather than coming here making yourself sick and ill? Westlife (who started off in the late 90s) might "speak" to you more - not sure if they have a website forum though. Google it, then move on.

Common, Phranc’s only mistake is that he is hoping, hoping, hoping.
Hoping to reignite the spar, hoping to see flashes of the old genius.
The experience can be different for each one and it actually enriches the discussion (for me).
And he still enjoys some of his music and his beautiful singing voice (if I may add that)

 

[Mayfly]

I can see an argument that his stance in "Bonfire of Teenagers" isn't too far removed from his take on Live Aid etc back in the mid 1980s:

"I'm not afraid to say that I think Band Aid was diabolical. Or to say that I think Bob Geldof is a nauseating character. Many people find that very unsettling, but I'll say it as loud as anyone wants me to. In the first instance the record itself was absolutely tuneless. One can have great concern for the people of Ethiopia, but it's another thing to inflict daily torture on the people of England. It was an awful record considering the mass of talent involved. And it wasn't done shyly it was the most self-righteous platform ever in the history of popular music."

He's been doing this stuff for almost 40 years now. It's just...what he does.

I still remember his Band Aid comment. At the time, I put it down to sneer jealousy because he (presumably) wasn’t invited to participate in it. And if he were invited, he would turn down the invitation anyway because it is really not ‘his thing’ to socialize and share with so many different people. The story is old, but it goes on. I imagine he would have been so happy if somebody would have asked to sing one of his songs.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

So you only approve of completely unique criticism?

You don’t think venting about how disappointed one feels about certain changes in subject matter or style has any place here? The point is hardly to change Morrissey’s mind, but rather to simply vent and discuss with likeminded people.

There’s not anything to discuss when the same venting day after day, month after month, year after year, goes nowhere. Just dead ends clogging up the threads, while the others that are not venting/complaining simply want to enjoy whatever Morrissey has to offer. I’m not talking about simple likes and dislikes.

But if one has a new perspective? then let’s hear it. Though it’s extremely rare, as far as criticism goes.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

I realized that later too. There are certainly some emotions in his inging voice: sadness, mockery, anger. And I like the solemn piano at the end, it feels like you’re walking out of a funera.

I assume the words are now on various social media sites, not sure how many of these people will actually listen to song which isn’t yet available on the streaming sites.

at least NME put up the live YouTube vids of the songs, so hopefully some may actually give a listen and judge for themselves.

 

[js138]

I still remember his Band Aid comment. At the time, I put it down to sneer jealousy because he (presumably) wasn’t invited to participate in it. And if he were invited, he would turn down the invitation anyway because it is really not ‘his thing’ to socialize and share with so many different people. The story is old, but it goes on. I imagine he would have been so happy if somebody would have asked to sing one of his songs.

Why must everything be out of jealously though? Why can't a bad idea, simply be a bad idea and nothing more? This presumptive bitter slant that gets applied towards everything Morrissey does or doesn't do is more telling of those suggesting it.

 

[Malarkey]

So wait, could Mozzer be talking about this particular performance in bonfire? If I didn't know any better this thumbnail is except from the kids choice awards with the cheese body language

I think it probably is this - it fits the description.

Most people would be too polite to say - but it's dreadful.

 

[Mike Rourke]

I still remember his Band Aid comment. At the time, I put it down to sneer jealousy because he (presumably) wasn’t invited to participate in it. And if he were invited, he would turn down the invitation anyway because it is really not ‘his thing’ to socialize and share with so many different people. The story is old, but it goes on. I imagine he would have been so happy if somebody would have asked to sing one of his songs.

I think he said words to the effect of Thatcher and the Royals could sort out Ethiopia's problems in an instant, whereas Band Aid were expecting 11 year old girls from Rochdale to end the famine. Which seemed like a reasonable enough stance.

 

[Mayfly]

Why must everything be out of jealously though? Why can't a bad idea, simply be a bad idea and nothing more? This presumptive bitter slant that gets applied towards everything Morrissey does or doesn't do is more telling of those suggesting it.

Alright, the word ‘jealousy’ wasn’t perhaps a lazy choice, but the sentiment of being misunderstood, unfairly treate, underrated and not being accepted have always been an important part of Morrissey. And I am not suggesting that these sentiments are unfounded. On the contrar, there have been many instances that justified this sentiment. But it has instilled an unsatiable longing for artistic recognition and adoration in him. And I will stand by my view that he would have been very happy if one of his songs had been « chosen one » instead of the Oasis song. Anyway, as you suggest, interpretation is a personal thing and not free of bias.

 

[Mayfly]

I think he said words to the effect of Thatcher and the Royals could sort out Ethiopia's problems in an instant, whereas Band Aid were expecting 11 year old girls from Rochdale to end the famine. Which seemed like a reasonable enough stance.

If that is what he said, I share that view.

 

[Fake C]

Morrissey’s apparent thought process with bonus actual quotes.

Neo-Nazi murders teens in Norway. “Nothing compared to what happens at McDonald’s and Kentucky Fried Shit every day. “

Muslims attack crowds in Paris. “Rerelease my song with the word ‘Paris’ in the title!” “Guaranteed number one!” Now Boz was put into service to write that last bit but pretty sure it was the party line.

Muslim attacks teens in Manchester. Album title sorted! Just need a few repetitive verses and choruses to get maximum trolling mileage and the loyal fans can explain what I was intending to say!

 

[Lucifer Sam]

The Paris thing was truly scandalous. I hope it was an isolated instance of raging narcissism and delusion, but you have to admit, there's nevertheless a lurid and compelling Howard Hughesean tinge to it. If Morrissey has gone insane, I guess that's what things regularly look like behind the scenes. Syd Barrett when he lost his marbles is said to have been obsessed with the fact that his apartment in London wasn't as nice or spacious as John Lennon's. He removed the furniture, painted the hardwood in stripes, and lived on a mattress with Iggy the Eskimo, subsisting on canned goods and the lysergic. We do like these kinds of stories.

I have no issue with the Norway comment (a statement of fact) or Bonfire (a terrific song). Insane people can still make great art and speak the ugly truth. Morrissey was a poet, and now he is a prophet, and prophets are usually tinged with lunacy.

 

[Fake C]

Whether or not you are edgelordian enough to endorse the Norway statement the fact remains that capitalizing on the recent deaths of children whose parents are still in shock in order to get attention and promote your views is probably unlikely to help anyone including the beings murdered by the fast food industry. That’s before you consider the really unfortunate implication that the murders of some teens are less important than others.

Morrissey is a great singer who wrote more great songs than almost anyone I could think of, but he is also an asshole who likes to get attention for trolling anyone that might be bothered to still be paying attention.

 

[Lucifer Sam]

Whether or not you are edgelordian enough to endorse the Norway statement the fact remains that capitalizing on the recent deaths of children whose parents are still in shock in order to get attention and promote your views is probably unlikely to help anyone including the beings murdered by the fast food industry.

But unless you claim to be his oracle (as Vex did), you can’t know his precise motivation for that statement. The fact that, indeed, it caused many observers on the internet to call him a twat and worse and say things like they were going to eat meat just to spite him shows that it was likely a hurt in swaying opinion on the issue. It seems he is often speaking (on the subject of animals) from a very visceral and emotional place, and has a kind of blunt, Asperger’s-like inability to comprehend his effect. But since you have liked and followed him as an artist, then you will know that he has always been a bull in a china shop, perpetually handling the delicate subjects indelicately. I think it comes from the heart. He doesn’t set out to be a schockmeister or a so-called edgelord. With the caveat that I cannot read his mind, but neither can you. This is a stalemate.

 

[Redacted]

Not a Briton, so when I first heard Bonfire I didn't know he was referring to an impromptu sing-along after a moment of silence. I took the "silly people sing" line to refer to Chris Martin of Coldplay, who sang Don't Look Back in Anger at the memorial concert, and the "morons sing and sway" line as describing the concert-goers waving their arms and their cellphones. There is, I think, something really dorky and manufactured and indecent about these kinds of feel-good, come-together memorials.

At the same concert, I remember Ariana Grande performed her song Side to Side, which is about soreness after sex, because the parents of one of the girls who was murdered said she would've wanted to hear her favorite hits. I don't know, there's something off about these moments. Do you want to memorialize a dead teenager by citing her affection for a paean to sex? It seems like mentioning the posthumous discovery of a father's porn collection during a eulogy. Morrissey said in an interview that he was glad he didn't play that concert, because the festivities seemed inappropriate to him, and he said he would've sung World Peace or Life Is a Pigsty, and thrown the reality of things in people's faces instead of anesthetizing them with cheery goo-goo. I take these things to be what he's singing about in Bonfire: his sense that the reaction seemed rife with a creepy uptempo sanctimony, whereas he would've preferred something with more decorum—a solemnity that coldly hints at the righteous anger provoked, and doesn't insult the victims. But these things are so subjective. Obviously the parents of the victims were fine with the concert, so "whatevs," but I do feel Morrissey's unease.

Excellent points, I completely agree

 

[Fake C]

But unless you claim to be his oracle (as Vex did), you can’t know his precise motivation for that statement. The fact that, indeed, it caused many observers on the internet at least to call him a twat and worse and say things like they were going to eat meat just to spite him shows that it was likely a hurt in swaying opinion on the issue. It seems he is often speaking (on the subject of animals) from a very visceral and emotional place, and has a kind of blunt, Asperger’s-like inability to comprehend his effect. But since you have liked and followed him as an artist, then you will know that he has always been a bull in a china shop, perpetually handling the delicate subjects indelicately. I think it comes from the heart. He doesn’t set out to be a schockmeister or a so-called edgelord. With the caveat that I cannot read his mind, but neither can you. This is a stalemate.

I don’t have access to his thoughts as Vex claimed to but I do respect and have faith in his ability to express himself. I am convinced that there is a truth in the lyrics of “I Am Two People,” and I think one of those people, the public figure, spends a lot of time undermining the career of the one who writes and sings very meaningful and sensitive lyrics.
While it is often when speaking about animals that he makes his least effective statements, his xenophobic, not racist, views inspire a fair share of blunders as well.
It just happens that the statements I referred to seem to suggest that the identity and the reasons of the person doing the killing factor in quite clearly in an undeniable and really unfortunate way. Animals weren’t a part of any of the three responses to the three separate tragic events, but in the case of the Norway attacks were brought in, in a way that seems gratuitous to me, to tell the world that the killings meant “nothing.”

A talented wordsmith doesn’t say these things accidentally. Of course I can’t prove what he was doing there or when he used the word “subspecies” another time but to say all interpretations are equally valid can’t be true.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

There’s not anything to discuss when the same venting day after day, month after month, year after year, goes nowhere. Just dead ends clogging up the threads, while the others that are not venting/complaining simply want to enjoy whatever Morrissey has to offer. I’m not talking about simple likes and dislikes.

But if one has a new perspective? then let’s hear it. Though it’s extremely rare, as far as criticism goes.

I agree with what you’re saying regarding clogging up threads with the same old bullshit. But when Moz releases or performs new material, you have to be prepared for a wide array of opinions and heated debates, and that some might want to explain their opinions in depth.

 

[Barking]

There is, I think, something really dorky and manufactured and indecent about these kinds of feel-good, come-together memorials.

I happen to agree, but also remember the way the guy handled a close relative's death: by asking folks in Guyana to send flowers via Interflora and letting his nephew or NoNameNumpty proudly post pictures of massive graffiti on the walls of her house.
I found that silly, tacky, egomaniacal and bordering on indecent, but nobody else found it problematic at the time.
...Funny how we react differently to things according to our own background and sensitivity, eh?

The Paris thing was truly scandalous. I hope it was an isolated instance of raging narcissism and delusion, but you have to admit, there's nevertheless a lurid and compelling Howard Hughesean tinge to it. If Morrissey has gone insane, I guess that's what things regularly look like behind the scenes. Syd Barrett when he lost his marbles is said to have been obsessed with the fact that his apartment in London wasn't as nice or spacious as John Lennon's. He removed the furniture, painted the hardwood in stripes, and lived on a mattress with Iggy the Eskimo, subsisting on canned goods and the lysergic. We do like these kinds of stories.

I have no issue with the Norway comment (a statement of fact) or Bonfire (a terrific song). Insane people can still make great art and speak the ugly truth. Morrissey was a poet, and now he is a prophet, and prophets are usually tinged with lunacy.

More of a Profart, I think, but you write very well.

About that song about twerking and that dead teen (or was that by another Disney singer), I think the least we owe to the dead we lived with is to try our best to honour their life as we think they would have liked. It's not easy to all agree on how to do it, but there ARE guidelines, sometimes even given explicitely by them. To disregard them just...sucks.

About Morrissey's mum, well, there may have been a simpler and humbler side to her that he may have failed to notice (?). Just because his nephew lives through him and his fame, doesn't mean the whole family is the same. Although she did give birth to him and the apple etc... But...
Did she really spend her last seconds thinking: " Good, I will finally be all over Morrissey Central!!"

One has to wonder. So I do.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

I agree with what you’re saying regarding clogging up threads with the same old bullshit. But when Moz releases or performs new material, you have to be prepared for a wide array of opinions and heated debates, and that some might want to explain their opinions in depth.

I wish their were a ‘wide array of opinions’ and fresh debate, instead of reheated go nowhere debate. But no. It’s the same criticism clogging up the threads, while those that simply want to enjoy what Morrissey offers, has to deal with these lunkheads on a daily, monthly, yearly basis.

 

[Lucifer Sam]

While it is often when speaking about animals that he makes his least effective statements, his xenophobic, not racist, views inspire a fair share of blunders as well.
It just happens that the statements I referred to seem to suggest that the identity and the reasons of the person doing the killing factor in quite clearly in an undeniable and really unfortunate way. Animals weren’t a part of any of the three responses to the three separate tragic events, but in the case of the Norway attacks were brought in, in a way that seems gratuitous to me, to tell the world that the killings meant “nothing.”

To be fair to the man, though, it was "nothing compared to," not strictly nothing. Do you seriously think he deliberately chose that massacre to make the comparison because the perpetrator was a neo-Nazi, and Morrissey sympathized with his views? Even Varg Vikernes said something like Anders Breivik was a loser for shooting white kids. Is Morrissey now considered to the right of Varg Vikernes? Does he have to qualify his reaction to every mass shooting with a comparison to factory farming, lest Norway be insufficient? As others have done, including some controversial Jews, he's likened the abattoir to Auschwitz. You would certainly have to weigh that one into any consideration that he sympathizes with Nazi killers when making his comparisons.

A talented wordsmith doesn’t say these things accidentally. Of course I can’t prove what he was doing there or when he used the word “subspecies” another time but to say all interpretations are equally valid can’t be true.

A talented wordsmith isn't brimming with poetry at every utterance. Surely a talented wordsmith, when he isn't sitting down composing lyrics, can say blunt and inelegant things, particularly on a subject he is passionate about. And these things can be factually accurate, as the Norway statement was, or factually false (taxonomically speaking, the Chinese are not a subspecies). But inchoate rage can still be beautiful in its righteousness. If you agree with the original sentiment, that is.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I wish their were a ‘wide array of opinions’ and fresh debate, instead of reheated go nowhere debate. But no. It’s the same criticism clogging up the threads, while those that simply want to enjoy what Morrissey offers, has to deal with these lunkheads on a daily, monthly, yearly basis.

I agree, but at the same time understand why these things happen whenever there’s new music released/performed.