Pete Doherty's Moz references in last night's interview

[Tingle]

BBC4 last night showed a curious one-off interview of Pete Doherty [we say Dock-er-ty don't we?] by the gorgeous Kirsty Wark. I don't really know why she was interviewing him - perhaps it was for some other programme - they didn't say. Anyhow there was 30 monutes of interview with Pete singing a song in the middle of it.

Anyone else here see it? Anyway, in the midst of conversation he dropped in "a rush and a push and the land we stand on was ours" I think when talking about the success of the Libertines. Later, talking about how the band had dumped him he said something like '(left me standing) at the side of the road....with plastic bag in my hand' which I took to be a ref to 'Sister I'm a poet'.

There ya go.

 

[plick]

> BBC4 last night showed a curious one-off interview of Pete Doherty [we say
> Dock-er-ty don't we?] by the gorgeous Kirsty Wark. I don't really know why
> she was interviewing him - perhaps it was for some other programme - they
> didn't say. Anyhow there was 30 monutes of interview with Pete singing a
> song in the middle of it.

> Anyone else here see it? Anyway, in the midst of conversation he dropped
> in "a rush and a push and the land we stand on was ours" I think
> when talking about the success of the Libertines. Later, talking about how
> the band had dumped him he said something like '(left me standing) at the
> side of the road....with plastic bag in my hand' which I took to be a ref
> to 'Sister I'm a poet'.

> There ya go.

Later, talking about how
> the band had dumped him he said something like '(left me standing) at the
> side of the road....with plastic bag in my hand' which I took to be a ref
> to 'Sister I'm a poet'.

hi - sorry not being a dick or anything but - where was the connection?

cheers

 

[Bill Zero]

> Later, talking about how

> hi - sorry not being a dick or anything but - where was the connection?

> cheers

In a live version (wolverhampton?) someone threw a plastic bag on stage and he sang "a plastic bag waiting at the lights...which once was me". I think this ended up on an a b-side, so as people then knew it, he sang this version quite often.

However, as the only link to Pete Doherty is the words "a plastic bag", I feel the link is tenuous at best.

 

[Tingle]

Well, maybe I'M reading far too much into it - highly likely - but the image I get from the lyric is of Morrissey stood by the kerb holding a plastic bag (maybe with some New York Dolls records in it)......

You're not a dick.

I know the LASID has different lyric - perhaps Moz made a lyric change on the Beethoven was Deaf recording.

"With meths on their breaths
And you with youth on your side
A plastic bag stranded at the lights
This once was me ..."

> Later, talking about how

> hi - sorry not being a dick or anything but - where was the connection?

> cheers

 

[Tingle]

Bill, the link is tenuous, except that there are two links i.e the 'plastic bag' and the second is that both Morrissey and Doherty used the imagery of being stranded in the street. Added to this is the way Doherty delivered what he said, including the 'plastic bag' bit emphatically, though he already seemed to have concluded his answer.

But like I said, I'm probably reading far too much into it - just like with the 'rush and push and the land was ours' !

> In a live version (wolverhampton?) someone threw a plastic bag on stage
> and he sang "a plastic bag waiting at the lights...which once was
> me". I think this ended up on an a b-side, so as people then knew it,
> he sang this version quite often.

> However, as the only link to Pete Doherty is the words "a plastic
> bag", I feel the link is tenuous at best.

 

[plick]

> Well, maybe I'M reading far too much into it - highly likely - but the
> image I get from the lyric is of Morrissey stood by the kerb holding a
> plastic bag (maybe with some New York Dolls records in it)......

> You're not a dick.

> I know the LASID has different lyric - perhaps Moz made a lyric change on
> the Beethoven was Deaf recording.

> "With meths on their breaths
> And you with youth on your side
> A plastic bag stranded at the lights
> This once was me ..."

yes but that is a reference to sniffing glue is it not?

 

[king leer]

Doherty said he wanted to "boob" Moz in the nose -- If Morrissey hit him, he wouldn't get up!

 

[noone]

No, it's definitely an impromptu change of lyrics inspired by the flimsy carrier bag floating past his face. I'll do a yousendit tomorrow if nobody else has done one first.

 

[plick]

pete was joking!

 

[Bagpussy]

> BBC4 last night showed a curious one-off interview of Pete Doherty [we say
> Dock-er-ty don't we?] by the gorgeous Kirsty Wark. I don't really know why
> she was interviewing him - perhaps it was for some other programme - they
> didn't say. Anyhow there was 30 monutes of interview with Pete singing a
> song in the middle of it.

> Anyone else here see it? Anyway, in the midst of conversation he dropped
> in "a rush and a push and the land we stand on was ours" I think
> when talking about the success of the Libertines. Later, talking about how
> the band had dumped him he said something like '(left me standing) at the
> side of the road....with plastic bag in my hand' which I took to be a ref
> to 'Sister I'm a poet'.

> There ya go.

That sounds like the Newsnight interview, originally screened December 2004.

 

[plick]

it is, but last nights was an extended version

 

[seriously flawed - not right in the head]

Re: it is, but last nights was an extended version

That's correct.
They said they had to fabricate some of the answers to extend the show, as the "potters wheel" footage was out of working order.

 

[seriously flawed - not right in the head]

Re: it is, but last nights was an extended version

> That's correct.
> They said they had to fabricate some of the answers to extend the show, as
> the "potters wheel" footage was out of working order.

By the way, you will have to be "old" and "British" to see the significance.

 

[king leer]

In the state he's usually in, how do you know?

 

[plick]

i have met him - he loves moz!!

 

[king leer]

I know, I know...but I thought Pete was upset when Moz said the Libs were better off?

 

[gremlin]

Re: I know, I know...but I thought Pete was upset when Moz said the Libs were better off?

I have sang Jeane with him before he was famous!

 

[plick]

Re: I know, I know...but I thought Pete was upset when Moz said the Libs were better off?

> I have sang Jeane with him before he was famous!

cool

 

[L]

Re: pete was joking!

i agree the whole story was blown out of proportions ,pete was just gutted because he introduced karl to the smiths only for to find him on the front cover of the NME with his arm around moz ,you'd be gutted too.