James Maker Statement: Is Morrissey a racist?

Statement:

Is Morrissey a racist?

The answer is an emphatic 'no'. In the forty years that I have known Morrissey, I have never once heard a racist epithet pass his lips. The terms 'racist', 'fascist', and 'Islamophobe' are so freely used nowadays against those whose opinions and worldview differs from our own, that they have lost their power and meaning.
Also, there is a worrying trend on the Left that, ironically, echoes fascism in its intolerance of reasoned debate. One is not only 'wrong' in expressing a different opinion, but one is also now 'evil'. I believe that calling Morrissey a racist is unjustifiable and wrong.
However, if you want to run out of the house wearing a garment ill-suited to the elements in order to throw Viva Hate into the Manchester Ship Canal, then that is, of course, your right.

In supporting Brexit, this does not make Morrissey an immigrant-hating 'Little Englander' who lives only to reverse the metric system and bring back steam trains. The truth is, there are myriad reasons why people voted to leave the EU. One of them is a mistrust of Brussels technocracy where unelected representatives make decisions that are arguably a matter for sovereignty.
Patriotism and Nationalism are very distinct: the former is characterised by an affection for one's country; the second is a more extreme and unforgiving form of allegiance to one's homeland. Morrissey might be guilty of patriotism, but not of nationalism.

Opposing Sharia Law in the UK, or FGM, or institutionalised misogyny—which is (trigger warning) widespread in the developing world—is an appropriate Western response borne of democracy and the development of civil liberties. It is neither racist nor Islamophobic.
After all, if I were to move to the United Arab Emirates in search of a better life, I wouldn't reasonably expect to be able to build a hot dog stand empire, serving pork products whilst dressed in a gender-neutral miniskirt.

To oppose halal slaughter is to oppose slaughter with additional cruelty. The zakat tax payable for Halal certification is used by Islamic organisations to fund mosques and religious schools. Such is the many-tentacled nature of zakat, it is difficult to determine whether it is also being used to crowdfund Islamist extremism. There is a growing concern in some quarters that it might be.

Hitler was indeed 'Left-wing' in the sense of incorporating the word 'socialist' into the party's name to cynically draw voters away from communism and towards populist nationalism dressed as socialism. Hence, 'Hitler was Left-wing.' Morrissey was not suggesting that Hitler and Yvette Cooper (for example) share the same political ideals. The fact is, Left-wing totalitarianism looks little different to Right-wing authoritarianism — if you're being oppressed, it's the same experience.

Again, is Morrissey a racist?
My answer is an emphatic 'no'.

James Maker.
26.04.18

Regards,
FWD.

 

[Layne]

Bought and paid for by whom?

Take a look at the roster of the Council on Foreign Relations.

 

[He's_REALLY_Done_It_Now]

At first glance James’ defence of Morrissey appears cogent, articulate and erudite. However, sadly, on closer inspection his argument comes crashing to its knees at the first hurdle. And James finds himself defending the indefensible. Chiefly, peculiarly, he declares ‘I have never once heard a racist epithet pass his lips’. One can only conclude from this statement that James is deaf, or at the least, has VERY selective hearing. Has he not read any of Morrissey’s utterances on race, immigration and Islam over the last couple of years, or even longer?

Morrissey came out against immigration around 2007, if not earlier. And his position has hardened since then and become ever more extreme.

Ever since the mid-1980’s with his infamous ‘all reggae is vile’ statement Morrissey has continually accused journalists of ‘stitching him up’ when he has said something morally or politically questionable or beyond the pale. Consequently Morrissey has now set up his own platform (Morrissey Central) to stop ‘this sort of thing’ happening again. The delicious irony of this is that he has used this to express his most extreme hateful views yet on record. Hoisted by his own petard, gloriously, he has now stitched HIMSELF up. He can no longer blame any intermediaries, and say he has been ‘misquoted’ or his remarks were ‘taken out of context’. These are his words. Unmediated. He can no longer invoke the Trump defence and dismiss everything negative printed about him as ‘fake news’. His vile, misguided, venomous, divisive, views have now been exposed as all too horribly real.

I find his current stance on Britain, London, immigration, race, Islam, refugees etc. etc. utterly abhorrent and objectionable. And unfathomable. If somebody had forewarned me in the 1980’s that The Smiths’ frontman would one day support a far-right party who were the equivalent of the BNP or National Front in all but name, I simply would NOT have believed them.

It’s now abundantly clear why Morrissey thought the result of the Brexit vote was ‘magnificent’. And it ain’t got nothing to do with ‘a mistrust of Brussels technocracy.’

The similarities between the current 2018 Morrissey and his fellow animal rights activist Brigitte Bardot are striking. The star of Jean-Luc Godard's Le Mépris and Roger Vadim's Et Dieu Créa la Femme denounced "the Islamisation of French society", benefits for "polygamous families" and the Muslim festival of Eid in her 2003 book, ‘A Cry In Silence’. No prize for guessing which French politician Ms Bardot most admired: Jean-Marie le Pen, the leader of the far right National Front. To BB, he is "faithful to his ideas through thick and thin". At the time of the book’s publication two French civil rights groups, the Human Rights League and the Movement Against Racism (MRAP), announced they were suing Ms Bardot, for racial discrimination and provoking racial hatred. I believe Morrissey should face the same scrutiny and by endorsing For Britain he is colluding in propagating anti-Islam & anti-immigration propaganda and rhetoric. Morrissey grumbles about the 'haters', but he is the one peddling a tawdry hate. He has become THE HATER, in chief, and, thankfully, Hate Speech IS now a crime.

In all his most recent interviews & statements Morrissey, I'm afraid, HAS revealed himself as the quintessential 'immigrant-hating 'Little Englander'. Sorry, James. Morrissey, in his own words, is proud to be one of 'the bulldog breed who will never surrender'. It's heartbreaking that, a once great man has been reduced to this & Morrissey is now unforgivably destroying the beautiful legacy of The Smiths quote-by-quote-by-quote.

 

[vegan.cro spirit #337]

At first glance James’ defence of Morrissey appears cogent, articulate and erudite. However, sadly, on closer inspection his argument comes crashing to its knees at the first hurdle. And James finds himself defending the indefensible. Chiefly, peculiarly, he declares ‘I have never once heard a racist epithet pass his lips’. One can only conclude from this statement that James is deaf, or at the least, has VERY selective hearing. Has he not read any of Morrissey’s utterances on race, immigration and Islam over the last couple of years, or even longer?

Morrissey came out against immigration around 2007, if not earlier. And his position has hardened since then and become ever more extreme.

Ever since the mid-1980’s with his infamous ‘all reggae is vile’ statement Morrissey has continually accused journalists of ‘stitching him up’ when he has said something morally or politically questionable or beyond the pale. Consequently Morrissey has now set up his own platform (Morrissey Central) to stop ‘this sort of thing’ happening again. The delicious irony of this is that he has used this to express his most extreme hateful views yet on record. Hoisted by his own petard, gloriously, he has now stitched HIMSELF up. He can no longer blame any intermediaries, and say he has been ‘misquoted’ or his remarks were ‘taken out of context’. These are his words. Unmediated. He can no longer invoke the Trump defence and dismiss everything negative printed about him as ‘fake news’. His vile, misguided, venomous, divisive, views have now been exposed as all too horribly real.

I find his current stance on Britain, London, immigration, race, Islam, refugees etc. etc. utterly abhorrent and objectionable. And unfathomable. If somebody had forewarned me in the 1980’s that The Smiths’ frontman would one day support a far-right party who were the equivalent of the BNP or National Front in all but name, I simply would NOT have believed them.

It’s now abundantly clear why Morrissey thought the result of the Brexit vote was ‘magnificent’. And it ain’t got nothing to do with ‘a mistrust of Brussels technocracy.’

The similarities between the current 2018 Morrissey and his fellow animal rights activist Brigitte Bardot are striking. The star of Jean-Luc Godard's Le Mépris and Roger Vadim's Et Dieu Créa la Femme denounced "the Islamisation of French society", benefits for "polygamous families" and the Muslim festival of Eid in her 2003 book, ‘A Cry In Silence’. No prize for guessing which French politician Ms Bardot most admired: Jean-Marie le Pen, the leader of the far right National Front. To BB, he is "faithful to his ideas through thick and thin". At the time of the book’s publication two French civil rights groups, the Human Rights League and the Movement Against Racism (MRAP), announced they were suing Ms Bardot, for racial discrimination and provoking racial hatred. I believe Morrissey should face the same scrutiny and by endorsing For Britain he is colluding in propagating anti-Islam & anti-immigration propaganda and rhetoric. Morrissey grumbles about the 'haters', but he is the one peddling a tawdry hate. He has become THE HATER, in chief, and, thankfully, Hate Speech IS now a crime.

In all his most recent interviews & statements Morrissey, I'm afraid, HAS revealed himself as the quintessential 'immigrant-hating 'Little Englander'. Sorry, James. Morrissey, in his own words, is proud to be one of 'the bulldog breed who will never surrender'. It's heartbreaking that, a once great man has been reduced to this & Morrissey is now unforgivably destroying the beautiful legacy of The Smiths quote-by-quote-by-quote.

Skinny give it a break
Use of the word "erudite" is a dead giveaway. Better luck next time. Brigette Bardot!!!!! THE HATER!
WE VILL ARREST BARDOT AND MOZ YES VE VILL!!!! Insane Asylum for you.

 

[Mozhole]

What does this quote by Samuel Johnson mean: "Patriotism is the last refuge for a scoundrel"? Why will it be the last?

 

[Layne]

At first glance James’ defence of Morrissey appears cogent, articulate and erudite. However, sadly, on closer inspection his argument comes crashing to its knees at the first hurdle. And James finds himself defending the indefensible. Chiefly, peculiarly, he declares ‘I have never once heard a racist epithet pass his lips’. One can only conclude from this statement that James is deaf, or at the least, has VERY selective hearing. Has he not read any of Morrissey’s utterances on race, immigration and Islam over the last couple of years, or even longer?

Morrissey came out against immigration around 2007, if not earlier. And his position has hardened since then and become ever more extreme.

Ever since the mid-1980’s with his infamous ‘all reggae is vile’ statement Morrissey has continually accused journalists of ‘stitching him up’ when he has said something morally or politically questionable or beyond the pale. Consequently Morrissey has now set up his own platform (Morrissey Central) to stop ‘this sort of thing’ happening again. The delicious irony of this is that he has used this to express his most extreme hateful views yet on record. Hoisted by his own petard, gloriously, he has now stitched HIMSELF up. He can no longer blame any intermediaries, and say he has been ‘misquoted’ or his remarks were ‘taken out of context’. These are his words. Unmediated. He can no longer invoke the Trump defence and dismiss everything negative printed about him as ‘fake news’. His vile, misguided, venomous, divisive, views have now been exposed as all too horribly real.

I find his current stance on Britain, London, immigration, race, Islam, refugees etc. etc. utterly abhorrent and objectionable. And unfathomable. If somebody had forewarned me in the 1980’s that The Smiths’ frontman would one day support a far-right party who were the equivalent of the BNP or National Front in all but name, I simply would NOT have believed them.

It’s now abundantly clear why Morrissey thought the result of the Brexit vote was ‘magnificent’. And it ain’t got nothing to do with ‘a mistrust of Brussels technocracy.’

The similarities between the current 2018 Morrissey and his fellow animal rights activist Brigitte Bardot are striking. The star of Jean-Luc Godard's Le Mépris and Roger Vadim's Et Dieu Créa la Femme denounced "the Islamisation of French society", benefits for "polygamous families" and the Muslim festival of Eid in her 2003 book, ‘A Cry In Silence’. No prize for guessing which French politician Ms Bardot most admired: Jean-Marie le Pen, the leader of the far right National Front. To BB, he is "faithful to his ideas through thick and thin". At the time of the book’s publication two French civil rights groups, the Human Rights League and the Movement Against Racism (MRAP), announced they were suing Ms Bardot, for racial discrimination and provoking racial hatred. I believe Morrissey should face the same scrutiny and by endorsing For Britain he is colluding in propagating anti-Islam & anti-immigration propaganda and rhetoric. Morrissey grumbles about the 'haters', but he is the one peddling a tawdry hate. He has become THE HATER, in chief, and, thankfully, Hate Speech IS now a crime.

In all his most recent interviews & statements Morrissey, I'm afraid, HAS revealed himself as the quintessential 'immigrant-hating 'Little Englander'. Sorry, James. Morrissey, in his own words, is proud to be one of 'the bulldog breed who will never surrender'. It's heartbreaking that, a once great man has been reduced to this & Morrissey is now unforgivably destroying the beautiful legacy of The Smiths quote-by-quote-by-quote.

The bolded could be used to describe Islam.

You're living in the world of make-believe.

 

[marred]

The bolded could be used to describe Islam.

You're living in the world of make-believe.

Yes but that would be inconvenient.

 

[Truth]

What does this quote by Samuel Johnson mean: "Patriotism is the last refuge for a scoundrel"? Why will it be the last?

Bob Dylan used it this way.
"You know that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings
Steal a little and they'll throw you in jail
Steal a lot and they'll make you a king"

I think you're asking a rhetorical question but in case not I believe it means that people can do the absolute worst and justify it if they say they were doing it for their country.

 

[marred]

I worry about people who cling to something someone said some time ago.

 

[Truth]

I worry about people who cling to something someone said some time ago.

That's an interesting opinion. Do you put your brain in a blender and start over every morning? Seriously I agree that in some ways we are trapped in a world where so much is decided for us before we're ever born. You are automatically a citizen of whatever nation you're born in. You get the benefits but you also are party to a contract between the people that was signed by people who are all long dead.
But every bit of society, education, politics, medicine and every other benefit you enjoy is based on or builds on something someone said some time ago.
If you're talking about Morrissey specifically he would be better off if we did focus on things he used to say because he used to be a lot more subtle about the same things he is saying now.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

But every bit of society, education, politics, medicine and every other benefit you enjoy is based on or builds on something someone said some time ago.

but what if you don't enjoy any of that stuff, you troll? I would be quite happy, I assure you, if we could scrap the suffocating appartus of society-education-politics-medicine- etc and new constructs were to be built, no longer dictated by the past but by ones internal universe, to build a world of genuine feeling. but I suppose that work belongs to the realm of art, whereas yours is the realm of philistinism.

 

[fakmoz]

Again, is Morrissey a racist?
My answer is an emphatic 'no'.

 

[Anonymous]

Bob Dylan used it this way.
"You know that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings
Steal a little and they'll throw you in jail
Steal a lot and they'll make you a king"

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" says the pro-Israel Bob Dylan. It's the last refuge of the scoundrel, but only for white people apparently. For Jews, and every other racial and ethnic group in existence, it's celebrated, or at least respected. Highly unusual for a Jewish public figure like Bob Dylan to engage in doublespeak like that at the expense of white people in a white majority country. Unprecedented.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bob-dylans-forgotten-pro-israel-song-revisited/
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/michael-f-brown/bob-dylans-embrace-israels-war-crimes

 

[Layne]

 

[caramel sea salt]

Hitler co-opted some elements of socialism to head off the threat of real socialism, but it was in the service of a greater far right agenda. Egalitarianism was never a goal with the Nazis, quite the opposite. Racial and national hierarchies were at the very centre of their thinking. It's not leftist to scapegoat Jews and other minorities for social ills. It's not leftist to encourage a mystical cult of the fatherland.

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

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When Hitler refered to himself as a Socialist it was on his own terms and as far as Socialism goes he was extremely opposed what with it being a Jewish creation and all that.

Anyway, it's all here what he thought Derek, https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatinterviews1

Everyone with even a school age education realizes the Hitler was a Socialist spreaders are idiots. I'd avoid it Derek.

 

[Truth]

When Hitler refered to himself as a Socialist it was on his own terms and as far as Socialism goes he was extremely opposed what with it being a Jewish creation and all that.

Anyway, it's all here what he thought Derek, https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatinterviews1

Everyone with even a school age education realizes the Hitler was a Socialist spreaders are idiots. I'd avoid it Derek.

Sorry but that is MainStream Media and as such is tainted. Don't you know it's much better to get your news from websites full of alt-right anonymous sources?
Oh wait, we can't say "alt-right" either. Something to do with a burning desire for "free speech" and FREE THOUGHT which apparently exists only on one side of the aisle. Which side? Well the one that has such a need to redefine and cleanse the image of good old HH himself.

 

[Layne]

Hitler co-opted some elements of socialism to head off the threat of real socialism, but it was in the service of a greater far right agenda. Egalitarianism was never a goal with the Nazis, quite the opposite. Racial and national hierarchies were at the very centre of their thinking. It's not leftist to scapegoat Jews and other minorities for social ills. It's not leftist to encourage a mystical cult of the fatherland.

I don't disagree, but look at the bolded. What has modern socialism become? It has become obsessed with racial and national hierarchies in line with identity politics, which is at the very centre of its thinking. It is leftist to scapegoat white males and other majorities for social ills.

Again, in both cases, the goal is to achieve radical societal change and to advance certain groups to the detriment of certain "oppressors." Both brands of socialism, then, are based on equity.

Could we say that Hitler's version of socialism differs in some regards from other brands of socialism? Sure, but it certainly abides by the same guiding principles.

 

[Anonymous]

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For the benefit of anyone who doesn't have Google, this isn't a quote from Adolf Hitler. It's from Gregor Strasser, a leader of the Black Front, which was an anti-capitalist faction of the Nazi party, eradicated by Hitler in the Night of the Long Knives, when Strasser and others were murdered. Which could be taken as a sign of Hitler's disapproval.

 

[vegan.cro spirit #873]

Even Trotsky admitted that he could never be Party Leader because he was Jewish;
this was even before the Jewish purges.
Mao adapted socialism for his own ends
Lenin adapted socialism to benefit his agenda.
Stalin adqpted socialism to benefit his agenda.
Castro adapted socialism to benefit his personal agenda.
Pol Pot adapted socialism to benefit his personal agenda.

They all adapted SOCIALISM because they were socialists
Same applies to Hitler he was a SOCIALIST.

What kind of argument is that? To say someone adopts and adapts socialism in order
not to be socialist? They adopted and adapted Socialism making them SOCIALISTS

Moz has been spot on since day 1

 

[vegan.cro spirit #873]

Strasser was whacked because he had tried to make deal with Schleicher.