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[JoanOfArc]

Of course anti depressants alter your personality

And what is it good?Is it still you-altered by antidepressants is it still you?I think the key is to find the source of your problem and fight it.And not sitting doing nothing and popping another pill..Few for waking up,few for going to sleep this is the road to nowhere and the real problem remains unsolved..

 

[Jukebox Jury]

Jukebox Jury

 

[JoanOfArc]

There.....

where?i dont have time to read it all now give me the one line...

 

[JoanOfArc]

There.....

Aha ok i see it i think its his another post not this one i replayed to,i didnt read it his post afterwards,i replayed to the 1rst one..Well that makes it ok,he has them prescribed...but it doesnt change my opinion about anti-depressants at all.So?

 

[Kewpie]

thnks for the kind words, and the one who wrote a PM

to them, hope yer OK now, and I'm well aware of tapering, coming of those,
been to clinics many many times,but can't handle the fysical pain in combination with psch probs

and all the pills are legaly prescriped, I get them 2 weekly by the chemist.

well I can write a book, but it may sound odd, life is much better than past
century, just one thing keeps hunting me, never saying "sorry, I love you dad"
on that horrible end febr 1999 a part of me died to

I'm the son and heir, and the end of the family line

but enjoy life, don't moan or sit behind the curtains, did that, after my ammonia and being in IC and kept in coma 5 days, when I was out, and time
gave it a place in my mind,I'm a lucky bastard that I'm still there, so now
I'm seeking something to do to fill my days [difficult story how our labour
sickness, psych. level is, but that's my current status and want out of it,
but don't get help, they just send me money every month] and feel that
I'm more a part of society, but I walk at least an hour, not running, just relaxed walking, but something to do, helping old people or whatever so
my mind is more stable to get of the meds

thanks you

you live 1 time, take life 5 times at average speed, not like I did
If something bad happens[not really traumatic things] don't act impuldive,
wait, sleep a night, and things mostly are seeing brighter, at least, it did
with me a lot

not drowning but waving

because we must

 

[Moonbeam]

And what is it good?Is it still you-altered by antidepressants is it still you?I think the key is to find the source of your problem and fight it.And not sitting doing nothing and popping another pill..Few for waking up,few for going to sleep this is the road to nowhere and the real problem remains unsolved..

No decent GP would just prescribe pills without offering some other form of help. When people are given access to Mental Health services in the UK they are told that anti-depressants alone will not make them better.

Many people need psychoactive medication to stabalise their moods or to help normalise their lives - surely as a pharmacist you know this.

I'm not trying to have an arguement with you, I was just saying that suddenly stopping prescribed medication may be dangerous and you saying 'stop taking these drugs they can cause liver and kidney failure, oh by the way trust me I am a pharmacist' is slightly irresponsible when you know little about the person, the reasons he is prescribed them and the length of time he has been taking them etc

 

[jamescagney]

I believe pills work, psychotherapy maybe not. Pills are a science, therapy not so much. Where in the brain is the Superego? The study to prove its existence? Or the other competing pseudo-models of the personality? Therapy is still largely based on Freud, a drug user from the gaslight / steam era who believed in penis envy and hysteria.

Some people go to therapy for decades and aren't much better off for it. (Take the wonderfully together Woody Allen for example? Interesting life choices he made.) I think talking about one's problems makes one feel better short term, like a catharsis, even if the "therapist" is an idiot or a computer.

People should try therapy, but if someone's on pills with no therapy, I think that's just fine, sometimes necessary, and for many, it's better than therapy with no pills. Can a therapist fix the thing about thoughts racing through the mind? That sounds chemical to me. But bottom line, everyone's different.

 

[Moonbeam]

I believe pills work, psychotherapy maybe not. Pills are a science, therapy not so much. Where in the brain is the Superego? The study to prove its existence? Or the other competing pseudo-models of the personality? Therapy is still largely based on Freud, a drug user from the gaslight / steam era who believed in penis envy and hysteria.

Some people go to therapy for decades and aren't much better off for it. (Take the wonderfully together Woody Allen for example? Interesting life choices he made.) I think talking about one's problems makes one feel better short term, like a catharsis, even if the "therapist" is an idiot or a computer.

People should try therapy, but if someone's on pills with no therapy, I think that's just fine, sometimes necessary, and for many, it's better than therapy with no pills. Can a therapist fix the thing about thoughts racing through the mind? That sounds chemical to me. But bottom line, everyone's different.

CBT tends to be the latest type of therapy, it is about trying to change the way you think and challenging negative thoughts as they lead to negative feelings and behaviour. I believe this can work with certain people but you have be dedicated to giving it a go.

 

[JoanOfArc]

No decent GP would just prescribe pills without offering some other form of help. When people are given access to Mental Health services in the UK they are told that anti-depressants alone will not make them better.

Many people need psychoactive medication to stabalise their moods or to help normalise their lives - surely as a pharmacist you know this.

I'm not trying to have an arguement with you, I was just saying that suddenly stopping prescribed medication may be dangerous and you saying 'stop taking these drugs they can cause liver and kidney failure, oh by the way trust me I am a pharmacist' is slightly irresponsible when you know little about the person, the reasons he is prescribed them and the length of time he has been taking them etc

Well do you think ive said it literally?That he has to stop it now right in this moment?This is how you understood my post?What i mean is:See what medicines you are taking,see few other doctors,listen to their opinion and always remeber that medicines arent the solution of the problem but a temporary help.the less is more with medicines.Primo non nocere-though its doctors rule i think it applies here too.Sometimes a good friend can help you more than all the anti-depressants in the world.this is my opinion.Personally the only times when i used it was before important exams-i used Oxazepamum 10mg.And i think its wondeful medicine,doesnt make you sleepy ,makes you calm down and have your thoughts in order so you can focus on your task.But it was maybe like 5times in my life.Have to go now coz im already late but it was so nice to talk to you my fellow pharm.Do you have Asklepios snake as a symbol too?

 

[Moonbeam]

Well do you think ive said it literally?That he has to stop it now right in this moment?This is how you understood my post?What i mean is:See what medicines you are taking,see few other doctors,listen to their opinion and always remeber that medicines arent the solution of the problem but a temporary help.the less is more with medicines.Primo non nocere-though its doctors rule i think it applies here too.Sometimes a good friend can help you more than all the anti-depressants in the world.this is my opinion.Personally the only times when i used it was before important exams-i used Oxazepamum 10mg.And i think its wondeful medicine,doesnt make you sleepy ,makes you calm down and have your thoughts in order so you can focus on your task.But it was maybe like 5times in my life.Have to go now coz im already late but it was so nice to talk to you my fellow pharm.Do you have Asklepios snake as a symbol too?

I'm not a pharmacist
I agree that a good friend can be better than anti depressants but in severe depression or other mental illnesses then drugs are needed.
Your original post could have caused someone to freak out about taking the meds and I was just offering another view.

 

[Moonbeam]

are you sure about this?

Dave you live in that wacky place called America though....I am talking about here

 

[troubleluvsme]

Well some years ago people were using this:Acidum Arsenicosum(as a anti-anxiety med)
Extarctum Opii Siccum(as a pain killer),and Extractum Strychni Siccum (as an activating med.)And ofc it was also advertised as safe,great etc...

What are those drugs?

What did they really do to people?

I think drug therapy is a scary way to go unless it proves to be absolutely necessary.

 

[jamescagney]

Well some years ago people were using this:Acidum Arsenicosum(as a anti-anxiety med)
Extarctum Opii Siccum(as a pain killer),and Extractum Strychni Siccum (as an activating med.)And ofc it was also advertised as safe,great etc...

Sure they work! Taken in sufficient amounts, arsenic and strychnine will get rid of your pain and anxiety for sure.

That's why Obamacare keeps medical costs down by providing these wonder drugs at no charge to the sick, the elderly and the poor!

 

[JoanOfArc]

Sure they work! Taken in sufficient amounts, arsenic and strychnine will get rid of your pain and anxiety for sure.

yes for sureMeet you at the cemetry gates

 

[JoanOfArc]

Sure they work! Taken in sufficient amounts, arsenic and strychnine will get rid of your pain and anxiety for sure.

That's why Obamacare keeps medical costs down by providing these wonder drugs at no charge to the sick, the elderly and the poor!

And what about Vioxx btw...

 

[I am a Ghost]

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[SoVeryEntertainig]

And what is it good?Is it still you-altered by antidepressants is it still you?I think the key is to find the source of your problem and fight it.And not sitting doing nothing and popping another pill..Few for waking up,few for going to sleep this is the road to nowhere and the real problem remains unsolved..

With all due respect, these pills are for those who just can't "get up and fight the problem". Never tried antidepressants? Good for you!

I'm on citabax. And I know what I'm writing. It's still me. I'm still here, thanks to the pill.

 

[mikael]

For those who have never faced it, depression is real. Until you do or have a loved one who does, shut it.

 

[Moonbeam]

For those who have never faced it, depression is real. Until you do or have a loved one who does, shut it.

I don't think anybody suggested it wasn't real.

 

[celibate]

I don't think anybody suggested it wasn't real.

yer talking only about depression

what about paranoid, claustrofobia, anxiety,etc.

there's a lot to read about human brains

or as Morrissey wrote/sings
"does body rule the mind, or does the mind rule the body, I don't know''


I know being your own worst enemy it as hard as 2 jobs a day, and yer lucky
if you get a bit rest in yer head to stop you from thinking, thinking all the time
about everyting, who i AM, WHAT i AM

SORRY for the mess up, but I think the last 15 who posted get a clue

you live 1 time, everyone does it it's way, everyone is unique, Im my own worst enemy and take pills that make my life just a bit more alive and feel being part of it, half of my life I was an outsider, lived behind cutrains.
Now I can have a social talk in the park about stupid things like weather or
newsitems, just socialising