"The Smiths" album turns 40 - various articles (February 20, 2024)

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Backloaded: The Smiths’s Self-Titled Debut Album Turns 40

In hindsight, the band's debut plays like an inverse of their final album.



Why The Smiths' 1984 debut is their most underrated album

Morrissey, Marr and co's first LP lives in the shadow of The Queen Is Dead, but it's a strong statement of intent.



Via @BookishBoy:

This One Is Different Because It’s Us: The Smiths at 40

On this day in 1984, four Manchester boys put out an album that would change the destiny of rock and pop music forever.


Seeing a few of these - will collate them here.
FWD.

 
Any article with a new take or recent interview etc may get its own thread.
FWD.
 
An ‘every song ranked’ article from the NME.
https://www.nme.com/features/music-...ery-song-ranked-in-order-of-greatness-3589477

TRIGGER WARNING; “Even Morrissey’s deserved pariah status can’t tarnish the band’s shared genius”
Oh God, who ranks these?! 🙈 Accept Yourself, I Keep Mine Hidden, Wonderful Woman, and Miserable Lie... those are some of my favorite Smiths songs. Criminally rated.

I do like that There is a Light that Never Goes Out isn't number 1.. I like the song, but it'd be like, number 63 for me.

They have no bad songs, imo. I will say, the instrumental songs are missing a key element... This guy:
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Can I just say what a bloody amazing album cover that was. Moz took a saucy and salacious still from a Warhol movie, cropped it, and hey presto, it becomes an iconic portrait of teenage angst. Just brilliant.
The songs on the album are of course superb. The production left a lot to be desired. But that's first albums for you.
 
Can I just say what a bloody amazing album cover that was. Moz took a saucy and salacious still from a Warhol movie, cropped it, and hey presto, it becomes an iconic portrait of teenage angst. Just brilliant.
The songs on the album are of course superb. The production left a lot to be desired. But that's first albums for you.

But was that the intended album cover? I believe he initially didn’t want to crop it.
Hmmm, after some googling, I may be wrong about that. But I did find that ‘Little Joe’ was also used for the cover of The Stones ‘Sticky Fingers’ album. well, just his crotch.

In regards to The Smiths album, it does perfectly reflect the mood of the record.

Agree, about the production. Wish Marr would remix it, just to hear it.


‘We have an album released on 20th February and I really do expect the highest critical praise for it. It's a very, very good album. It is a signal post in music."

- Morrissey, Record Mirror, 11 February 1984

"All the elements of the Smiths are there. There's nothing lost, I'm sure of it. Our producer John Porter was the perfect studio technician for us. He got some amazing subtleties but at the same time we were putting some things down in just a couple of takes."

- Johnny Marr, Sounds, 25 February 1984

"I'm really ready to be burned at the stake in total defence of that record. It means so much to me that I could never explain, however long you gave me. It becomes almost difficult and one is just simply swamped in emotion about the whole thing. It's getting to the point where I almost can't even talk about it, which many people will see as an absolute blessing. It just seems absolutely perfect to me. From my own personal standpoint, it seems to convey exactly what I wanted it to."

- Morrissey, Melody Maker, 3 March 1984

"Looking back on the first album now I can say that I'm not as madly keen on it as I was. I think that a lot of the fire was missing on it and most of our supporters realise that as well. Although having said that, 'Still Ill' and 'Suffer Little Children' and 'Hand That Rocks' are all still great songs."

- Johnny Marr, Melody Maker, 2 August 1985

What was your opinion of the first album?
"I haven't listened to it in ages. I was happy that people were getting a chance to hear us, because we were better than anyone else at the time and I just thought I was happy to make a record. Just that it existed and the songs were there for people to hear was enough for me. It wasn't until people started mentioning the production that I noticed it, really."
How do you feel about the production?
"I think the only way that record could have got made was for John Porter to come in and show us how to make a record properly, which is what he did. He showed me how to make a record."

- Johnny Marr, Record Collector, November/December 1992

"John Porter (producer) suggested getting that bloke Paul Carrack in on keyboards to see what would happen, and I thought it really brought it alive."

- Andy Rourke on 'I Don't Owe You Anything', Select, April 1993

"Even with the sleeve, you know, for 'The Smiths,' Johnny said to me, Uh, I've got the cover of the new album. And it's a picture of a bloke going down on another bloke. So I'm like, Great! Fan-ta-stic! Hey, mam, look what I've been doing the last eight months! And I thought, well, how far do we want to take this? Because of course it's porn but straight away it starts you thinking, and that's what I mean when I say I maybe wasn't that clued in because Johnny and Morrissey were classic music fans for many years, and I'm sure they'd already been in Top Of The Pops in their heads, and they'd already thought about the things that have to be done to be creative, instead of just going blindly ahead and just falling by the wayside."

- Mike Joyce, Select, April 1993

"I didn't think it was the best debut of all time, I just thought it was the best record out at the time. I haven't listened to it for ages. I know it's a great collection of songs. It became the norm to criticise it. People echo what they've heard in the press."

- Johnny Marr, Select, December 1993

"Rolling Stone cite the first album as the hidden gem. That baffles me. I thought it was so badly produced. And that matters if you're stood behind a mike singing your heart out. A great glut of Smiths records were badly produced. I remember a drive from Brixton to Derby where I listened on a Walkman to The Smiths' first album which we'd recorded for the second time and I turned to Geoff Travis on my right and John Porter on my left and said, This is not good enough, and they both squashed me in the seat and said that it cost f60,000, it has to be released, there's no going back. I had two very moist cheeks and there's an anger there that has never subsided, because The Smiths' first album should have been so much better than it was. (Laughs) Oh, how boring!"

- Morrissey, Q, April 1994

"The thing that sticks in my mind is not really liking the sound of the record. It wasn't anybody's fault, particularly - just time and budget limitations. Suffer Little Children has certainly got the atmosphere that I intended, and Pretty Girls Make Graves was probably good as it was ever going to be... whatever that means! ...a lot of the album was actually recorded with a '54 Telecaster belonging to John Porter. I used a Rickenbacker 360 12-string as well, and that was the guitar which subsequently got all the attention, but in fact it was mainly the Tele, and a bit of Les Paul. Overall, what I really didn't like about the records then was the amp, the Roland Jazz Chorus - that's the f***in' prime suspect. Hey man, it was the '80s! They sounded fine to the player, but I think they failed out front. There seemed to be [a] big hole in the sound..."

- Johnny Marr, The Guitar Magazine, January 1997

"What's going on in the rest of that picture is pretty interesting," says The Smiths' drummer today. "You know, with another geezer. Morrissey's going, 'This is the album cover,' and I'm like (tired resignation), Oh great, cool, whatever. After the cover of Hand In Glove, this was like, Wa-a-a-it, hold on a minute. Very cleverly he didn't tell me the picture was going to be cropped. I could imagine my parents going (Mrs Doyle voice): 'Well, that's nice, Michael.' The local priest, all my relatives..."

- Mike Joyce, Mojo, March 2000

 
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It's the one Smiths album I revisit as a "chore." If you replaced "Miserable Lie" and "Pretty Girls Make Graves" with "Accept Yourself," "These Things Take Time," or "Jeane," I would stand it up against the later albums unabashedly.

I'm probably in the minority but I don't think either Troy Tate or John Porter best conveyed the essence of these songs on the whole. "Still Ill" and "Suffer Little Children" come within a whisker of perfection. On the Tate sessions, Morrissey's voice is a liability and, on Porter's recordings, Paul Carrack is an irritant - a bit like Ray Manzarek on the first X album. One person's atmosphere is another's distraction...

The cover is a masterpiece.
 
(always has to be personal dig at Morrissey)


"I’ve been listening to The Smiths since I was inside the womb — no, seriously.

There’s a photo of my teenage mother fashioning distressed Levi jeans with a Smiths t-shirt while pregnant with me, and my first onesie matched. Not to mention my first concert ever was Morrissey in Los Angeles when I was ten.

Forty years ago today, The Smiths released their self-titled debut, which would go on to change an entire sphere of British music. At a time when bands like New Order, The Cure and Siouxsie and The Banshees were blasting through the radio waves with their heavy, elaborate wailings, The Smiths came in with Morrissey’s drab vocals and Johnny Marr’s elevated guitar work — a combination full of sweet misery.

Now, before I go on, let’s get this out of the way: I haven’t met a Smiths fan in the last 15 years who doesn’t express their fandom without first apologizing for Morrissey — me included. He sucks as a person, but I love the music so much. Regardless of one’s stance on today’s “cancel culture,” most can agree that Moz has rightfully been criticized for his many racist and clearly miserable rants. Still, there’s something about The Smiths that remains a lifelong commitment — an angsty phase we never really grow out of.

The Smiths is a collection of ten songs that encapsulates Morrisey’s obsession and distinct worldview. The record opens with “Reel Around the Fountain,” a song that’s been suspected to be about child abuse, but ultimately serves as a prime example of Morrissey’s ambiguous lyrics. And to showcase Marr’s distinctive guitar skills, the band tapped “What Difference Does It Make?” and “Hand in Glove” for singles, the latter being hailed by the group, at the time, as the best song they’d ever written.

It’s hard not to agree. In a brief three and a half minutes, “Hand in Glove” showcases exactly what it means to be a Smith and, consequently, a Smiths fan: Moz with his baring heart, Mike Joyce steady on drums, Andy Rourke’s warm basslines and Johnny Marr’s melancholy-soaked guitar riffs. The song, and the entire album, is filled to the brim with reminders that it’s okay to be tender and kind, witty and clever, and that it’s this innate understanding of the human condition — the good, the bad, and the ugly — that makes up the DNA for every Smiths song and fan.

“No, it’s not like any other love,” Morrissey sings atop the cut’s jangly pop melody. “This one is different because it’s ours.”

The album closes with “Suffer Little Children,” another song suspected of being about child abuse. It references the five children killed by Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, later coined the Moors Murders. The song was so shocking upon the record’s release that several retailers refused to carry the album. But whether the content of Smiths music leaves you shocked or not, what makes their music so unique is that many of their songs — filled with homosexual and asexual desire — are all about the nature of lust, but without the trappings of sex.

And that’s what’s most impressive about The Smiths’ debut. That one of the best bands to ever come out of Britain not only seemed to know who they were from the get-go, but managed to capture that character with their first crack at a studio album. Though we may no longer be able to hear The Smiths without first thinking about how much of a tool Morrissey is, or listen to the band again for the first time, we can still put their debut on and be reminded of just what makes them so great and why being a fan is a lifelong commitment. Even if it’s one we didn’t sign up for. "
Samantha Lopez

Samantha Lopez is an Oregon native currently living in Chicago. She has been a gigging music journalist for nearly a decade, with work frequently appearing in Consequence and Paste. In recent years, she has also turned her focus to personal essays and poetry that explore ideas of trauma, mental health, and identity in a modern context. She is currently working on a debut collection of essays, a children’s book with her partner, and scripts for film and television. When not writing, she enjoys traveling, live music, and giving belly rubs to her black lab, Leopold Bloom.
 
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But was that the intended album cover? I believe he initially didn’t want to crop it.
Hmmm, after some googling, I may be wrong about that. But I did find that ‘Little Joe’ was also used for the cover of The Stones ‘Sticky Fingers’ album. well, just his crotch.

In regards to The Smiths album, it does perfectly reflect the mood of the record.

Agree, about the production. Wish Marr would remix it, just to hear it.


‘We have an album released on 20th February and I really do expect the highest critical praise for it. It's a very, very good album. It is a signal post in music."
- Morrissey, Record Mirror, 11 February 1984

"All the elements of the Smiths are there. There's nothing lost, I'm sure of it. Our producer John Porter was the perfect studio technician for us. He got some amazing subtleties but at the same time we were putting some things down in just a couple of takes."
- Johnny Marr, Sounds, 25 February 1984

"I'm really ready to be burned at the stake in total defence of that record. It means so much to me that I could never explain, however long you gave me. It becomes almost difficult and one is just simply swamped in emotion about the whole thing. It's getting to the point where I almost can't even talk about it, which many people will see as an absolute blessing. It just seems absolutely perfect to me. From my own personal standpoint, it seems to convey exactly what I wanted it to."
- Morrissey, Melody Maker, 3 March 1984

"Looking back on the first album now I can say that I'm not as madly keen on it as I was. I think that a lot of the fire was missing on it and most of our supporters realise that as well. Although having said that, 'Still Ill' and 'Suffer Little Children' and 'Hand That Rocks' are all still great songs."
- Johnny Marr, Melody Maker, 2 August 1985

What was your opinion of the first album?
"I haven't listened to it in ages. I was happy that people were getting a chance to hear us, because we were better than anyone else at the time and I just thought I was happy to make a record. Just that it existed and the songs were there for people to hear was enough for me. It wasn't until people started mentioning the production that I noticed it, really."
How do you feel about the production?
"I think the only way that record could have got made was for John Porter to come in and show us how to make a record properly, which is what he did. He showed me how to make a record."
- Johnny Marr, Record Collector, November/December 1992

"John Porter (producer) suggested getting that bloke Paul Carrack in on keyboards to see what would happen, and I thought it really brought it alive."
- Andy Rourke on 'I Don't Owe You Anything', Select, April 1993

"Even with the sleeve, you know, for 'The Smiths,' Johnny said to me, Uh, I've got the cover of the new album. And it's a picture of a bloke going down on another bloke. So I'm like, Great! Fan-ta-stic! Hey, mam, look what I've been doing the last eight months! And I thought, well, how far do we want to take this? Because of course it's porn but straight away it starts you thinking, and that's what I mean when I say I maybe wasn't that clued in because Johnny and Morrissey were classic music fans for many years, and I'm sure they'd already been in Top Of The Pops in their heads, and they'd already thought about the things that have to be done to be creative, instead of just going blindly ahead and just falling by the wayside."
- Mike Joyce, Select, April 1993

"I didn't think it was the best debut of all time, I just thought it was the best record out at the time. I haven't listened to it for ages. I know it's a great collection of songs. It became the norm to criticise it. People echo what they've heard in the press."
- Johnny Marr, Select, December 1993

"Rolling Stone cite the first album as the hidden gem. That baffles me. I thought it was so badly produced. And that matters if you're stood behind a mike singing your heart out. A great glut of Smiths records were badly produced. I remember a drive from Brixton to Derby where I listened on a Walkman to The Smiths' first album which we'd recorded for the second time and I turned to Geoff Travis on my right and John Porter on my left and said, This is not good enough, and they both squashed me in the seat and said that it cost f60,000, it has to be released, there's no going back. I had two very moist cheeks and there's an anger there that has never subsided, because The Smiths' first album should have been so much better than it was. (Laughs) Oh, how boring!"
- Morrissey, Q, April 1994

"The thing that sticks in my mind is not really liking the sound of the record. It wasn't anybody's fault, particularly - just time and budget limitations. Suffer Little Children has certainly got the atmosphere that I intended, and Pretty Girls Make Graves was probably good as it was ever going to be... whatever that means! ...a lot of the album was actually recorded with a '54 Telecaster belonging to John Porter. I used a Rickenbacker 360 12-string as well, and that was the guitar which subsequently got all the attention, but in fact it was mainly the Tele, and a bit of Les Paul. Overall, what I really didn't like about the records then was the amp, the Roland Jazz Chorus - that's the f***in' prime suspect. Hey man, it was the '80s! They sounded fine to the player, but I think they failed out front. There seemed to be [a] big hole in the sound..."
- Johnny Marr, The Guitar Magazine, January 1997

"What's going on in the rest of that picture is pretty interesting," says The Smiths' drummer today. "You know, with another geezer. Morrissey's going, 'This is the album cover,' and I'm like (tired resignation), Oh great, cool, whatever. After the cover of Hand In Glove, this was like, Wa-a-a-it, hold on a minute. Very cleverly he didn't tell me the picture was going to be cropped. I could imagine my parents going (Mrs Doyle voice): 'Well, that's nice, Michael.' The local priest, all my relatives..."
- Mike Joyce, Mojo, March 2000

It would be interesting to know what was the motivation to crop it. Although, given the cover of Hand in Glove, I can't imagine it was to spare anyone any blushes. But it was a good decision to crop it. Perhaps a happy accident? The pic of both actors together has comical overtones - the cropped pic of Joe on his own, head bowed, is moody and arty. Just right for the album.
 
(always has to be personal dig at Morrissey)


"I’ve been listening to The Smiths since I was inside the womb — no, seriously.

There’s a photo of my teenage mother fashioning distressed Levi jeans with a Smiths t-shirt while pregnant with me, and my first onesie matched. Not to mention my first concert ever was Morrissey in Los Angeles when I was ten.

Forty years ago today, The Smiths released their self-titled debut, which would go on to change an entire sphere of British music. At a time when bands like New Order, The Cure and Siouxsie and The Banshees were blasting through the radio waves with their heavy, elaborate wailings, The Smiths came in with Morrissey’s drab vocals and Johnny Marr’s elevated guitar work — a combination full of sweet misery.

Now, before I go on, let’s get this out of the way: I haven’t met a Smiths fan in the last 15 years who doesn’t express their fandom without first apologizing for Morrissey — me included. He sucks as a person, but I love the music so much. Regardless of one’s stance on today’s “cancel culture,” most can agree that Moz has rightfully been criticized for his many racist and clearly miserable rants. Still, there’s something about The Smiths that remains a lifelong commitment — an angsty phase we never really grow out of.

The Smiths is a collection of ten songs that encapsulates Morrisey’s obsession and distinct worldview. The record opens with “Reel Around the Fountain,” a song that’s been suspected to be about child abuse, but ultimately serves as a prime example of Morrissey’s ambiguous lyrics. And to showcase Marr’s distinctive guitar skills, the band tapped “What Difference Does It Make?” and “Hand in Glove” for singles, the latter being hailed by the group, at the time, as the best song they’d ever written.

It’s hard not to agree. In a brief three and a half minutes, “Hand in Glove” showcases exactly what it means to be a Smith and, consequently, a Smiths fan: Moz with his baring heart, Mike Joyce steady on drums, Andy Rourke’s warm basslines and Johnny Marr’s melancholy-soaked guitar riffs. The song, and the entire album, is filled to the brim with reminders that it’s okay to be tender and kind, witty and clever, and that it’s this innate understanding of the human condition — the good, the bad, and the ugly — that makes up the DNA for every Smiths song and fan.

“No, it’s not like any other love,” Morrissey sings atop the cut’s jangly pop melody. “This one is different because it’s ours.”

The album closes with “Suffer Little Children,” another song suspected of being about child abuse. It references the five children killed by Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, later coined the Moors Murders. The song was so shocking upon the record’s release that several retailers refused to carry the album. But whether the content of Smiths music leaves you shocked or not, what makes their music so unique is that many of their songs — filled with homosexual and asexual desire — are all about the nature of lust, but without the trappings of sex.

And that’s what’s most impressive about The Smiths’ debut. That one of the best bands to ever come out of Britain not only seemed to know who they were from the get-go, but managed to capture that character with their first crack at a studio album. Though we may no longer be able to hear The Smiths without first thinking about how much of a tool Morrissey is, or listen to the band again for the first time, we can still put their debut on and be reminded of just what makes them so great and why being a fan is a lifelong commitment. Even if it’s one we didn’t sign up for. "
Samantha Lopez

Samantha Lopez is an Oregon native currently living in Chicago. She has been a gigging music journalist for nearly a decade, with work frequently appearing in Consequence and Paste. In recent years, she has also turned her focus to personal essays and poetry that explore ideas of trauma, mental health, and identity in a modern context. She is currently working on a debut collection of essays, a children’s book with her partner, and scripts for film and television. When not writing, she enjoys traveling, live music, and giving belly rubs to her black lab, Leopold Bloom.

Well, the journalists need to start taking some responsibility.

Morrissey has mostly withdrawn from public life - it's the journalists who are amplifying racism.

It's time they stopped.
 

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