Is circumcision child abuse ?

[nogodsnomasters85]

I'm just saying that ear piercing is just as bad (and is done twice!)...etc.

This is not remotely equivalent. Ear lobes are not major sources of stimulation, and heal back after awhile if you take the earring out. Not only is circumcision permenant it removes a piece of very sensitive tissue and due to exposure part of the head becomes desensitized. (Otherwise circumcised men would be in pain all the time.) This isn't to say they lose the ability to enjoy sex, but it changes the way it feels. Because the procedure is done so early they don't protest because they can't remember feeling any different. This isn't the sole issue however.
While incomperable to the barbaric process called "female circumcision" which is performed in the third world, that doesn't mean it isn't worth serious consideration.
A more legitimate comparison would be the emerging trend of women having their labia trimmed. (This has become popular especially among pornstars.) What if this were to become commonplace for female children? Women seem to disconnect because it's not their body.
While I wouldn't want to infringe on religious freedom, even though religion is a poison on the world, I don't think most parents do this for religious reasons, I think they just do it because it's commonplace.
So in summation, ladies, please,....think about it for a second before agreeing to this procedure.

 

[Oh my god. it's Robby!]

We've had this thread and it was a classic.

some gr8 stuff in that thread, but it seems most of the people who posted to it are banned now

And I've never met a man who was circumsized who was unhappy about his penis.

well, I am not really unhappy about my penis, but in the last couple of years I have encountered the situation of non-American women I have uhh, "dated"

saying something like:
"Oh, you are circumcised" the first time this happened I was surprised it even came up at all, since I had gone around 35 years of being on this planet and nobody, including all the people I had been intimate with ever commenting upon my circumcised penis
then later, the issue came up again with another foreign woman

so now I am afraid I might be developing some kind of self-consciousness around this whole circumcision issue
but what can I do about it I dont know
if only I could return to the state of blissful ignorance I once(and for so long had )

I've never spoken about it with an uncut man.

I have, and basically many seem to want to boast to me that being uncircumcised helps get them laid sometimes.
They could just be f***ing with me, but if not, I am going to eventually be very mad about it...

 

[MindlessRuffian]

its a public service.

 

[Kelley]

Though incidence of circumcision is lessening over time (rates of nearly 63% of males in 1994 compared to 56% in 2006) it is still completely common in the U.S. for males to be circumcised.

My husband and I didn't plan to circumcise our now four-year-old son to the dismay of most of our family members and several of our friends. There was a part of us that thought we should conform simply because EVERYONE we know, at least as far as we know, is circumcised and has circumcised their boys. Our mothers unequivocally thought that we should circumcise. Other women I talked to were adamantly FOR circ'ing. Many made comments that uncirc'd penises were 'gross' or 'ugly.' The comments I heard the most were 'What will you do when they're in the locker room and they get made fun of because they're 'different?' and 'Boys should look like their dads.'

We were definitely on the fence with our decision though we were leaning toward NOT circumcising.

My son left the hospital uncirc'd but within a few days his pediatrician convinced us to circumcise him for medical reasons. Without delving too deeply into my son's anatomy, she alleged that the shape of his penis had a high probability of causing him problems (infections) in the future.

We reluctantly had him circumcised in her office on his 6th day of life. I had to wait outside while my husband stayed with him. My husband describes the event as the worst thing he's ever witnessed, and he even admitted to me only recently that he cried on the drive home afterward.

So if I had another boy there is a high, high probability that I would NOT circ again. I'm not even positive that my pediatrician knew what she was talking about when she said he had medical reasons to be circ'd. For all I know, she wanted some extra spending money for her trip to Bora Bora.

They don't even use anesthesia! It's barbaric.

They did with my son.

I believe the American Academy of Pediatrics has changed its recommendation and now suggests it should not be routinely done; there is just no reason to do it.

Not the AAP but the CDC is considering changing its stance on recommending male circumcision.

Several types of research have documented that male circumcision significantly reduces the risk of HIV acquisition by men during penile-vaginal sex.

 

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

I'm not even positive that my pediatrician knew what she was talking about when she said he had medical reasons to be circ'd. For all I know, she wanted some extra spending money for her trip to Bora Bora.

It's actually rolled into the delivery fee package in my state. It's free. And the OBs do it.

It's pointless, but I believe, basically harmless. A few minutes of pain, at most. You can't tell me that cut guys don't enjoy using their cocks as much as uncut guys. There's no way to know whether it feels better, or worse, with or without a foreskin, unless you can find a statistically significant cohort of men who have two, one cut, one not, and can report on the relative sensations coming from each.

Were I to have another child, I'd probably put the decision in the hands of the boy's father, again. Different father, it would be, but nonetheless, I wouldn't want my dad making decisions about my private parts, so I'd leave decisions about penises to the parent who owns one. If I was, for the sake of argument, a purely single mother, I'd probably not have it done, just in the interests of leaving well enough alone. But then fate would probably bite me in the ass and he'd need it done, at great pain, trauma, and expense, at age thirteen.

I'm just not able to get worked up about it, with all due apologies to the baiters out there. Or the 'baters. Same guys, I think.

 

[Oh my god. it's Robby!]

with all due apologies to the baiters out there. Or the 'baters. Same guys, I think.

you mean Dave not me, right Preggers? cuz I was not trying to bait you, honest
also, I think that the answer to this whole circumcision thing is they go back to the way it was when I was born, so all American boys are "equal"
and I would be all for government funding which encourages international circumcision

 

[timeisaclockoftheheart]

there are some idiotic comments in this thread. many young boys are circumcised because their foreskin will not pull back fully, so a section of skin has to be removed. Child abuse? ffs...

 

[Dave]

there are some idiotic comments in this thread. many young boys are circumcised because their foreskin will not pull back fully, so a section of skin has to be removed. Child abuse? ffs...

Many people have to have their tonsils removed. Should they do it to everyone?

 

[mick ransommich]

Many people have to have their tonsils removed. Should they do it to everyone?

only if they are causing trouble, i suppose. Circumcision for the sake of it is daft.

 

[This charming man.]

If this was done under any other circumstances,other than religious practice,
wouldn't it be?

Strange man chops off a bit of boy's penis whilst family looks on.

Freal, it's definitely child abuse. I suffer from phimosis, but am able to wash it in the shower and in the bath with mimimal amount of pain. Even sex doesn't cause me discomfort because of the natural lubrication helping with the retracting of the fore-skin. It should be left to the choice of the post pubescent child/adult. This is a good web-site on the subject.

 

[This charming man.]

there are some idiotic comments in this thread. many young boys are circumcised because their foreskin will not pull back fully, so a section of skin has to be removed. Child abuse? ffs...

No it doesn't. Everybody is born with a tight fore-skin. Once lopped off there's no going back. It amounts to mutilating a small boy before he decides what to do when he reaches puberty. And I quote;

Medically, there is no reason why a healthy man has to retract his skin. It is a matter of personal preference. Many have lived their whole lives with out any problems. Thus the issue of cleaning under the skin is apparently not an issue.

If you want to be able to retract your skin past the end of your penis, it's a simple matter of stretching the opening a small amount every day. Go easy, if you have pain, you're stretching or pulling too hard. It may take some time, but that's all there is to it.!

 

[I am a Ghost]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[CharlieFairhead]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Eggabloodyxactly.
You get quite a lot of babies coming into the hospital i work in with botch job circumcisions, back street hatchet jobs.

 

[mick ransommich]

No it doesn't. Everybody is born with a tight fore-skin. Once lopped off there's no going back. It amounts to mutilating a small boy before he decides what to do when he reaches puberty. And I quote;

Just to add.. I was circumcised as a young boy.. and..... it's great.

In fact, I've really never considered it an issue at all.

 

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Eggabloodyxactly.
You get quite a lot of babies coming into the hospital i work in with botch job circumcisions, back street hatchet jobs.

That's the consequence of the health service charging extra for it, isn't it? Some people are going to want it done.

It's really strange, when you think about it. Clearly we would not have evolved a penile anatomy that causes a problem. Yet this bizarre, largely cosmetic, procedure is perceived as standard.

Maybe routine tonsillectomies are a good corollary. In the 50s, at least, the second or third time a kid had a sore throat they'd have their tonsils out. That was very painful and took days and days to recover from, yet it was perceived as a necessary step for health. By the 70s, when I was a little child, it was almost never done. I had strep throat annually, yet no doctor ever offered or suggested a tonsillectomy. Fads in medical treatment change quickly.

 

[mcrickson]

I have, and basically many seem to want to boast to me that being uncircumcised helps get them laid sometimes.
They could just be f***ing with me, but if not, I am going to eventually be very mad about it...

1:42

Robby, it's not their fault -- they're the shit.

 

[This charming man.]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Precisely.

 

[This charming man.]

Just to add.. I was circumcised as a young boy.. and..... it's great.

In fact, I've really never considered it an issue at all.

That's the main thing.

 

[Scarlet1987]

Anon, is this thread about paedophillia?

I can't be bothered to read more that the first page.......

 

[Arsenal]

ITT we learn that mutilating a childs penis is "basically harmless", and apaprently totally OK!

I love the internet.