Shannon Matthews Mother charged!!!

[Jukebox Jury]

LOL yes because I still remember from years ago how mad you got after
I said to you 'You like United right?'

It's the worse thing a women could ever said to me.
Oh, apart from when my ex said 'I do'

Jukebox Jury

 

[HIM]

Really? So you know that it was the step dad who downloaded the child porn onto his computer? I didn't realise the case had gone to court and he was found guilty

Jukebox Jury

I have absolutely no idea who put the porn on his computer - if indeed there was porn on his computer. That is for the dibble, defence, prosecution, judge and jury to decide. Not an internet messageboard.

Jukebox Jury

Sorry Moonbeam, it wasn't you who made the original comment but Hellie.
She said this
Very true...however i think in this case the mother should have been aware that the boyfriend who moved in with her on leaving school was a prolific child porn addict..

Of course people will talk about it, but the fact remains is, all we know is child porn was found on his computer, not that he put it there and that he is a prolific child porn addict. That is for the court to decide, not a kangaroo court.

Jukebox 'I am The' Jury

What is fact is he has been arrested on suspicion / allegation / alleged that child porn is on his computer.
The rest is gossip / rumour (apart from being a ManU fan)

Just like when everyone said Michael Jackson was guilty of kiddy fiddling, he was subsequently found not guilty your honour. The lad has to have his day / week in court before we know what happened.


Jukebox Jury

i demand to know what you've done with the bloke who normally posts under the username, "jukebox jury".

 

[Jukebox Jury]

i demand to know what you've done with the bloke who normally posts under the username, "jukebox jury".

Him,
Ha ha I've been waiting patiently for you to comment on my comments as you are still clearly stung by our clash over the Dead Dibble - I managed to flush you out.

Like I have said all along, what I said about the Cop was a fact, he was shagging. Nothing libelous or slanderous. This thread got way out of hand with statements that were very libelous and slanderous.
Thank you for finally recognising the difference and for agreeing with me

Jukebox Jury XX

 

[HIM]

Like I have said all along, what I said about the Cop was a fact, he was shagging. Nothing libelous or slanderous. This thread got way out of hand with statements that were very libelous and slanderous.
Thank you for finally recognising the difference and for agreeing with me

Jukebox Jury XX

you see no inconsistencies between, on one hand, believing & peddling idle gossip about the dead bloke in a newspaper - [simply because it was printed in a newspaper (rather than because it was established anywhere as fact)] and then saying, in this instance, that the evidence needs to be gathered and meticulously analysed, before reaching any conclusions about what those who have been accused have or haven't done? really?

 

[Jukebox Jury]

you see no inconsistencies between, on one hand, believing & peddling idle gossip about the dead bloke in a newspaper - [simply because it was printed in a newspaper (rather than because it was established anywhere as fact)] and then saying, in this instance, that the evidence needs to be gathered and meticulously analysed, before reaching any conclusions about what those who have been accused have or haven't done? really?

Thank you again for making it so easy to reply.
No inconsistancies at all. By the time I posted that he had been shagging, I had heard it on two different radio stations, one newspaper and one local TV station and Ceefax. All of the forms of media named the women and none of them said the word 'allegedly'. That led me to conclude, knowing the media and the law as I do, that it was a true account. Not peddling idle gossip. No law was broke by the pair having an affair, the police did not arrest the women for any offence, there was no law affecting the media saying what they did.
In this new case, the lad has been arrested after child porn was found on his computer, but that doesn't mean he put it there until proved otherwise. Therefore restrictions on what can and cannot be stated by the media (and internet message forums) comes under scrutiny, and cannot be discussed openly in the media otherwise it could perjure the case before it comes to court. That's the difference. We know the pair were shagging. We dont know at this stage who put the child porn on the computer.
However, no doubt you will beg to differ, which is your right and your reason for existence on this board
Jukebox Jury

 

[Musley]

What do you propose, enforced sterilisation? Are only rich people allowed to have kids then? As for the five different fathers thing... why not have a go at them instead. How many men have children with many different women and never get called up on it?

I don't propose anything, I asked it as a question to obtain others views. You have jumped to conclusions.

 

[HIM]

Thank you again for making it so easy to reply.
No inconsistancies at all. By the time I posted that he had been shagging, I had heard it on two different radio stations, one newspaper and one local TV station and Ceefax. All of the forms of media named the women and none of them said the word 'allegedly'. That led me to conclude, knowing the media and the law as I do, that it was a true account. Not peddling idle gossip. No law was broke by the pair having an affair, the police did not arrest the women for any offence, there was no law affecting the media saying what they did.
In this new case, the lad has been arrested after child porn was found on his computer, but that doesn't mean he put it there until proved otherwise. Therefore restrictions on what can and cannot be stated by the media (and internet message forums) comes under scrutiny, and cannot be discussed openly in the media otherwise it could perjure the case before it comes to court. That's the difference. We know the pair were shagging. We dont know at this stage who put the child porn on the computer.
However, no doubt you will beg to differ, which is your right and your reason for existence on this board
Jukebox Jury

hmmm... does the word defamation (that's "defamination", to you ) ring any bells? knowing that you "know the law" as you do, i'd suggest you get yourself along to the law library and hit the books.

(you might also want to brush up your grasp of 'perjury' while you're there. or buy a dictionary.)

also: for a syllogism to work, all the premises within it have to be true, before the conclusion can be said to be also true; "'all stories in the media are true' / 'the media said that the pre-dead bloke and some bint were f***ing about', therefore 'it's true that the pre-dead bloke and some bint were f***ing about'" doesn't really work.

 

[Jukebox Jury]

hmmm... does the word defamation (that's "defamination", to you ) ring any bells? knowing that you "know the law" as you do, i'd suggest you get yourself along to the law library and hit the books.

(you might also want to brush up your grasp of 'perjury' while you're there. or buy a dictionary.)

also: for a syllogism to work, all the premises within it have to be true, before the conclusion can be said to be also true; "'all stories in the media are true' / 'the media said that the pre-dead bloke and some bint were f***ing about', therefore 'it's true that the pre-dead bloke and some bint were f***ing about'" doesn't really work.

HIM
You are making yourself look daft now. Trolling my posts and finding the one about me (jokingly) threatening to sue someone (who I know very well) because they suggested I might want to go and see the Hear & Now tour is really silly

When I am watching a TV news show and they say 'the women in question has gone to police and told them of the affair' and this is regularily repeated on local radio and newspapers too, without the word 'alleged', then I tend to believe it. She has neither denied it nor threatened to take the media to court over the reporting of their affair. Her employers said 'they will stand by her.'
Sorry HIM. It is a fact, I don't care about other stories, we are relating to this one. They were shagging. FACT. It was true on the day it broke and it is true still to this day. Other stories I may have a different outlook. But not this one.

I could of course, concede defeat, but then you would have no other reason for posting here

I decided to troll you HIM.
You have made 6,033 posts yet you have only started 19 threads yourself, featuring the classic thread titles such as these:

Victoria Beckham is quite thin
Are your parents as bad as Nazis?
Well done Kewpie, you have posted a lot of threads
The bloody good afternoon thread.

Having a quick scan, you appear to have made no positive contribution on any of the posts I quickly viewed, just left sneering, sarcastic comments constantly. You must be very happy within yourself.

Goodnight. This is my last post to you as I am putting you on ignore.
EDIT Have put you on ignore.

Jukebox Jury

 

[HIM]

HIM

This is my last post to you as I am putting you on ignore.
EDIT Have put you on ignore.

Jukebox Jury

well, if that's easier for you, ok.

 

[CharethCutestory]

HIM
You are making yourself look daft now. Trolling my posts and finding the one about me (jokingly) threatening to sue someone (who I know very well) because they suggested I might want to go and see the Hear & Now tour is really silly

When I am watching a TV news show and they say 'the women in question has gone to police and told them of the affair' and this is regularily repeated on local radio and newspapers too, without the word 'alleged', then I tend to believe it. She has neither denied it nor threatened to take the media to court over the reporting of their affair. Her employers said 'they will stand by her.'
Sorry HIM. It is a fact, I don't care about other stories, we are relating to this one. They were shagging. FACT. It was true on the day it broke and it is true still to this day. Other stories I may have a different outlook. But not this one.

I could of course, concede defeat, but then you would have no other reason for posting here

I decided to troll you HIM.
You have made 6,033 posts yet you have only started 19 threads yourself, featuring the classic thread titles such as these:

Victoria Beckham is quite thin
Are your parents as bad as Nazis?
Well done Kewpie, you have posted a lot of threads
The bloody good afternoon thread.

Having a quick scan, you appear to have made no positive contribution on any of the posts I quickly viewed, just left sneering, sarcastic comments constantly. You must be very happy within yourself.

Goodnight. This is my last post to you as I am putting you on ignore.
EDIT Have put you on ignore.

Jukebox Jury

Are your parents as bad as Nazis is definately the best thread title that I've ever seen on these boards.

By definition any intelligent person doubts the validity of what the media tells them, what with the media acting as a wrong doing, society supressant consistently for the last few hundred years.

Why bother putting someone on ignore? Just use your think box and ignore them with your own senses.

 

[Jukebox Jury]

Are your parents as bad as Nazis is definately the best thread title that I've ever seen on these boards.

By definition any intelligent person doubts the validity of what the media tells them, what with the media acting as a wrong doing, society supressant consistently for the last few hundred years.

Why bother putting someone on ignore? Just use your think box and ignore them with your own senses.

Thank you for reminding me to put you on ignore too Chareth. Another waste of cyber space if ever I saw one.
HIM is on ignore because HIM's record is old and stuck on the turn table going round and round.

Jukebox Jury

 

[CharethCutestory]

Thank you for reminding me to put you on ignore too Chareth. Another waste of cyber space if ever I saw one.
HIM is on ignore because HIM's record is old and stuck on the turn table going round and round.

Jukebox Jury

You're absolutely right. I'm a waste of cyber space. It's not that you're washed up and unable to comprehend that you and your idol (who used to protest about "The Tories") have given in and become unwittingly right wing. It's not that at all.

I've said it before, and I'll say it agin, there's a definate parallel with Ben Elton.

 

[Jukebox Jury]

Chareth
I have no idea what you said as you are on ignore.

Jukebox Jury

 

[CharethCutestory]

Chareth
I have no idea what you said as you are on ignore.

Jukebox Jury

That's probably a good thing, you would have been well pissed off to discover what I'd been up to with your Mum.

 

[Jukebox Jury]

The more I ignore you, you the more posts you make. You're wasting your time

Jukebox Jury

 

[CharethCutestory]

The more I ignore you, you the more posts you make. You're wasting your time

Jukebox Jury

I absolutely believe that you aren't logging out and reading what I've posted, and therefore I don't need to worry about offending you with the news about what me and your Dad got up to!

Do another arbitrary Morrissey lyric quote if you think I'm ace.

 

[Jukebox Jury]

CharethCutestory
This message is hidden because CharethCutestory is on your ignore list.

Get the message Charie baby?

Jukebox Jury

 

[Kewpie]

 

[CharethCutestory]

CharethCutestory
This message is hidden because CharethCutestory is on your ignore list.

Get the message Charie baby?

Jukebox Jury

So. You're either reading my posts, or are so self obsessed that you think I would only be posting in this thread (which is NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU!) in response to your posts.

So which is it going to be, are you going to reply to this message and pretend you don't know what I said or ignore it and (based on the fact that you've responded to previous posts) confirm that you're simultaneously "ignoring" me and reading my posts?

 

[CharethCutestory]

Kewpie,

You don't really "get" sarcasm do you?