Why is Morrissey treating his esophagus cancer if he has always wanted to die?

Ketamine Sun is really invested in the idea that "we can't really know" that 1+1=2, and I can't actually prove that is true so I just wanted to ease her mind.

But 1 + 1 = 2.
QED. Quad errat demunstrandum.
You don't really need to prove that.
Or is it 3? Synergy added? :rolleyes:
 
But 1 + 1 = 2.
QED. Quad errat demunstrandum.
You don't really need to prove that.
Or is it 3? Synergy added? :rolleyes:
I'm not a mathematician or a philosopher but 1+1 only equals "2" if we define our terms very precisely. It's just gibberish, symbols that have no meaning in the real world beyond the meaning we agree upon. And 1 is probably .9999999999999999999 while the other 1 is 1.oooooooooooooooo4624251 so is that really 2?
 
I'm not a mathematician or a philosopher but 1+1 only equals "2" if we define our terms very precisely. It's just gibberish, symbols that have no meaning in the real world beyond the meaning we agree upon. And 1 is probably .9999999999999999999 while the other 1 is 1.oooooooooooooooo4624251 so is that really 2?

Yes it is.
It was agreed on. :)
 
But 1 + 1 = 2.
QED. Quad errat demunstrandum.
You don't really need to prove that.
Or is it 3? Synergy added? :rolleyes:

don't know what c-low is talking about, and judging by his post #21, he doesn't know either.
 
don't know what c-low is talking about, and judging by his post #21, he doesn't know either.

Yes, true, but let's say he is an adventurous poster. With surprising u-turns and you never know where he is going.
I think he meant that for him many things Moz are just as obvious as 1+1 makes 2. He sounds almost insulted as he cannot believe nobody sees it as it is, in his eyes. He thinks he can make the comparison. I don't.
That's why I tried to point out there is a big difference between the two as he very well knows.
:thumb:
 
Hearing the word Esophagus makes me hungry and I see a table before me full of seafood. Mmmmmm I just had prawn and esophagus.

Later this month I will finally get my throat cancer inspection. Uncleskinny and David should treat you all to free ice cream and bouncy castles if I get negative news (or positive cause the medical world see negative and positive in different ways than the rest of us do).

None the wiser said the nun running off happy hearing the positive pregnant news.
 
Yes, true, but let's say he is an adventurous poster. With surprising u-turns and you never know where he is going.
I think he meant that for him many things Moz are just as obvious as 1+1 makes 2. He sounds almost insulted as he cannot believe nobody sees it as it is, in his eyes. He thinks he can make the comparison. I don't.
That's why I tried to point out there is a big difference between the two as he very well knows.
:thumb:

'With surprising u-turns and you never know where he is going.'

I'll take that as sarcasm. :thumb:
 
'With surprising u-turns and you never know where he is going.'

I'll take that as sarcasm. :thumb:

Of course you do Ket! :)
But it was more meant slightly ironic and with an appreciating undertone as well.
When he gets annoyed with me he just informs me he is going to watch Narcos. :D
I like his style but not when he gets mean.:sick:
 
The thread starter and the headline is of course spot on here and I ask myself that every time I eat healthy and take my vitamins and minerals and run and care about my health when deep down I know I just wanna die.

If I could go to the swiss death clinic even if not dying from disease I would. Some are just tired of life and all the routines day after day.

I envy the bears hibernating and wish I could do that for about 5 years at a time all year round.
 
don't know what c-low is talking about, and judging by his post #21, he doesn't know either.

There are many things which we can't prove but we make decisions based on what we accept as "the facts" known to us. It's more likely true than not based on the facts known. Your "evidence" that "life is hard enough when you belong here" doesn't mean that immigrants do not belong in England was "the voice." You hear something in "the voice" that overrides the logic of the lyrics. Then years later when he makes several statements to the effect that England is being lost because of immigration, statements that would logically back up an interpretation of "Bengali In Platforms" as being unwelcoming of immigrants, when he actually does tell us exactly how he feels about it, you don't change your mind. You state that "we can't really know unless 'M' explains" and then when he sort of does explain, you reject it and ignore it.

But that's okay because when the Mozbots go to such extremes to deny logic it provides an example that the truth isn't really what they are concerned with.
 
I think he is likening song lyrics to mathematics. Yup. Perhaps he could draw us another chart?

Yes, I got that impression too.
Meaning that logic in language and song lyrics of Moz or anyother are the same as logic in mathematics, like 1+1=2. But that last one is real logic as that is mathematics, or let's say a very basic, simple fact that was agreed on.
1 apple + 1 apple makes 2 apples. At this moment in time, I am not aware of any alternate facts regarding the issue. :paranoid: Because they are not there. Logically speaking, and as far as we know. You could say 1+1= 3. And assume synergy. But that has noting to do with logic itself.

1 pear + 1 apple makes 2 pieces of fruit but they are not the same and therefore can't be seen as 2 items of the same sort. Its all fruit, I realize now. 1 baklava + 1 baklava makes 2 baklava's. Innit? ;)

How do you like my chart? Boring eh? I agree. But it makes logical sence though? Wouldn't you agree?
As much sense it makes (logic?) whenever C-low gets annoyed with me he remembers it is time to watch an episode of Narcos. Which is really funny and making me laugh. :D
 
Yes, I got that impression too.
Meaning that logic in language and song lyrics of Moz or anyother are the same as logic in mathematics, like 1+1=2. But that last one is real logic as that is mathematics, or let's say a very basic, simple fact that was agreed on.
1 apple + 1 apple makes 2 apples. At this moment in time, I am not aware of any alternate facts regarding the issue. :paranoid: Because they are not there. Logically speaking, and as far as we know. You could say 1+1= 3. And assume synergy. But that has noting to do with logic itself.

1 pear + 1 apple makes 2 pieces of fruit but they are not the same and therefore can't be seen as 2 items of the same sort. Its all fruit, I realize now. 1 baklava + 1 baklava makes 2 baklava's. Innit? ;)

How do you like my chart? Boring eh? I agree. But it makes logical sence though? Wouldn't you agree?
As much sense it makes (logic?) whenever C-low gets annoyed with me he remembers it is time to watch an episode of Narcos. Which is really funny and making me laugh. :D

I like your chart a lot, one minor correction: 1 baklava + 1 baklava =Screen Shot 2017-09-09 at 10.04.14.png
 
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I think he is likening song lyrics to mathematics in another effort to belittle someone. Yup. Perhaps he could draw us another chart?

No. I'm not interested in belittling KS. And what I was talking about wasn't "song lyrics" but the way that the meanings of words, however slippery they may be, can still be grasped. By some.
 
Yes, I got that impression too.
Meaning that logic in language and song lyrics of Moz or anyother are the same as logic in mathematics, like 1+1=2. But that last one is real logic as that is mathematics, or let's say a very basic, simple fact that was agreed on.
1 apple + 1 apple makes 2 apples. At this moment in time, I am not aware of any alternate facts regarding the issue. :paranoid: Because they are not there. Logically speaking, and as far as we know. You could say 1+1= 3. And assume synergy. But that has noting to do with logic itself.

1 pear + 1 apple makes 2 pieces of fruit but they are not the same and therefore can't be seen as 2 items of the same sort. Its all fruit, I realize now. 1 baklava + 1 baklava makes 2 baklava's. Innit? ;)

How do you like my chart? Boring eh? I agree. But it makes logical sence though? Wouldn't you agree?
As much sense it makes (logic?) whenever C-low gets annoyed with me he remembers it is time to watch an episode of Narcos. Which is really funny and making me laugh. :D

1+1=2 if our standard is "a preponderance of the evidence," the same standard that a court used to find OJ Simpson "responsible for the deaths" of his ex-wife and an associate of hers. But using a higher standard of proof a different court found him not guilty of their murders. There are many other factors involved that make that a less than ideal example, but it's well known. It illustrates that a thing can be "proven" by one standard but fail to be proven by another standard.
1+1= 2 can be proven by the lesser standard which is basically saying it is more likely than not to be true.
But to actually prove it would be difficult. If we started calling expert witnesses in the fields of mathematics, physics, philosophy and other fields, depending on the budget and the time allowed for the trial, we might begin to doubt that 1 = 1.
 
1+1=2 if our standard is "a preponderance of the evidence," the same standard that a court used to find OJ Simpson "responsible for the deaths" of his ex-wife and an associate of hers. But using a higher standard of proof a different court found him not guilty of their murders. There are many other factors involved that make that a less than ideal example, but it's well known. It illustrates that a thing can be "proven" by one standard but fail to be proven by another standard.
1+1= 2 can be proven by the lesser standard which is basically saying it is more likely than not to be true.
But to actually prove it would be difficult. If we started calling expert witnesses in the fields of mathematics, physics, philosophy and other fields, depending on the budget and the time allowed for the trial, we might begin to doubt that 1 = 1.

Doubt is good!
But what is doubt? A method to establish if something is true or not and using the outcome to create a certainty, a base from which you can use to accomplish " something ". To create things, visible, factual, things that are now part of technology. When I look outside my window I can see many of those things, like cars, houses, and I'm using a tablet to type things, that couldn't be made if 1+1 wasn't 2. Mind you before that, there had to be an imagination, a fantasy, of a house, a car, a phone.

That, for me is evidence based logical reasoning. In principal.
It's a bit like a scientifical method.
The supposition: The terrible snowman exist is a useful one cause you can prove it by finding him.
The supposition: The terrible snowman does not exist is not useful cause by not finding him you didn't prove, can't prove, he doesn't exist.

In science the only question that can be answered is a logical question.
Illogical questions can be answered but the answers are bound to be illogical too.
There are many standards, I agree. But the only one based on hard, coldstone facts and useful is a logical standard in the scientific sense.
I agree the jurisdictional system is a system based on another type of so-called logic. The Aristotelian one.
But that is not based on mathematics, like 1+1=2. And therefore not scientific.

I like to think, suppose, that creating art, like music, literature, prose, poetry, films, photography, painting, architecture, is like researching science but without prove. Without evidence. It uses the same method. Is it therefore of a lesser value? Not to me, but I know there are different opinion on that.

By the way I found out that not that many years ago but before my time, the entity Academy consisted of 3 territories; Education, Science and Arts. They were for a long time considered to be belonging to the same environment in a classical sense. Deriving from the Greec and Roman culture.

Due to developments like specialisation this is no longer the case although I read 2 articles promoting it, and reasoning there would be great or greater benefits from it. I don't know, not an expert but it sounded great.
 
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